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Here is another list from Prospects1500. Not much here in my opinion as Valera tops the list over our Big 3 and Bibee is 7th which I can live with for a national publication (but local writers). Yet, when Genao is 31st behind Antunez 29th, it says they either discount Arizona league a lot or they don't really know the Cleveland system. Yes, Antunez has better stats but Genao is a full year (and class signing) younger and pushed at the same rate (finished at Low-A). This is where these writers don't sit down and say mmmm... what is Cleveland FO seeing that one guys gets $1.2 million and another maybe a few hundred thousand if that (as he was signed 8 days after July 2nd opening period where most deals are pre-arranged for bigger stars and thus not much $$$ left but who knows) and we promote one guy more rapidly based even if younger???

I think this is a good example of just how clueless Fangraphs is when it comes to evaluating Cleveland prospects.
 

5. Junior Caminero, 3B​

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Powerful and explosive, the exciting Caminero was among the DSL’s home run leaders in 2021 before coming over from Cleveland in a 40-man roster deadline trade for pitcher Tobias Myers that offseason. He took a throw to the face during extended spring training, but was back for the start of the Complex League season and was one of that league’s most dominant hitters, slashing .326/.403/.492 with a 13% K% and 10% BB%, and earning a promotion to full-season ball, which also went swimmingly (.299/.359/.505). Caminero is much bigger than his team-listed height and weight, and is very likely a third base-only fit, though the Rays continue to give him some middle infield reps. He also has sizable raw power thanks to his plus bat speed and a promising early-career bat-to-ball track record. Caminero has a big leg kick, loads his hands low, and swings with bloodthirsty effort, with plus bat speed driving big pull-side power. His peak exit velocities are absurd for a teenager, and while his breaking ball recognition and overall plate discipline are both crude, his in-zone feel for contact is also very promising. The hit/power combination to profile at third base is pretty comfortably here, and Caminero might yet come into more power at physical maturity. He might have to augment his swing to get to all of that power, and the chase component threatens to drag the hit tool down, but guys who hit the ball this often and this hard tend to turn into good big leaguers.

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ProspectsLive posted its missing report on Joey Cantillo in its chat area. Copying it here so others can see it.
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PHYSICAL: Cantillo is tall and lanky with long limbs and a high waist. He has filled out his body over the last two years with a solid looking build. He utilizes a high, over-the-top delivery and manages to use his long limbs to get good extension. He’s a good athlete.

STRENGTHS: Cantillo has four near average or better pitches. He’s made important velocity gains on his repertoire. His fastball jumped from 88-92 MPH to 90-94 MPH, and he’s occasionally able to reach back for more. The added velocity has improved the shape and depth of his curveball, and it’s now an average pitch. His vulcan changeup dives under bats and has armside run. He incorporates a new cutter that also flashes average, but there’s still room for improvement. Cantillo has average control despite limited reps over the last three seasons. He was adept at suppressing hard contact last season.

WEAKNESSES: Health and durability are big question marks. He’s suffered through injuries over the last two seasons, including an abdominal strain and shoulder issues in 2022. He has thrown just 68 ⅔ innings since 2019. Cantillo occasionally has bouts of control issues. His cutter is also a work in progress. There are some questions as to whether his velocity gains will hold over a full season.

SUMMARY: Like Cody Morris, the reason Joey Cantillo hasn’t broken into the big leagues or established himself as a better prospect is health. The velocity gains have raised his ceiling, but evidence that he can remain healthy for a full season and maintain those gains is required. The four-pitch repertoire and average control gives him a firm mid-rotation upside, and the deep arsenal would be wasted in the bullpen. His health will likely dictate his future.
 
As I was looking over past posts for something else .... just copy this here as a reminder
 
We have six of the top 55 prospects according to Law. Not bad at all. It's especially good to see three starting pitchers in that group since Bieber will have to be moved after this season and I'm not sure Civale and Plesac are long term answers for the 4 and 5 spots.

It's also great to see a catcher on the list since we've been struggling to find an adequate replacement since Yan Gomes left. It's been a succession of good field, no hit types, which isn't bad, but we could really use at least a serviceable bat in the #8 or #9 spot.

The outfield situation, which was in dire straits a couple of years ago, has turned around with the emergence of Kwan and Gonzalez and the trade for Straw, plus an encouraging season by Will Brennan last year. With Valera coming on the future looks good for the outfield.

We seem to be set with a lot of young talent in the infield, outfield, and the bullpen and according to Law our top prospect is a shortstop, so we're in good shape in those areas. Where we will need help in the near future is starting pitching and catching so it's fantastic to see a catcher and three starters in the top 55.
 
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One thing that jumped out at me from Law's list is the domination of the National League. Eleven of the top 15 prospects are from NL farm systems. It goes on - 17 of the top 25 and 33 of the top 50 are from NL systems.

Here is the breakdown for the AL Central:

Cleveland: 22, 27, 33, 36, 42, 55
Chicago: 25
Minnesota: 48, 51
Kansas City: 57
Detroit: 83, 88

It's amazing how the Guardians' front office and player development staff has blown away the competition in recent years. The Guardians won the division by 11 games last year with the youngest team in the majors and now they have more players in the top 55 than any team in baseball.

We have six players ranked higher than anybody from Detroit or KC and five guys ranked higher than Minnesota's best prospect. That leaves the White Sox, and we have six prospects in the top 100 to one for them.
 
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Law's take on our top prospects:

Rocchio: "Rocchio got off to a slow start in Double A last year, although he was one of the youngest players in the Eastern League at age 21, but improved as the season went on, hitting .316/.383/.539 in his last 50 games (of 99) before he was promoted to Triple A for the last five weeks of the season. He’s a smaller guy but makes hard contact, hitting 15 homers in 2021 and 18 last year, although he puts the ball on the ground a little too often for this type of hitter. He’s always had a compact, direct swing, and over the past few years he’s learned to stay back on the ball, with great balance through contact. He hits well from both sides but his swing is slightly better right-handed. He’s an above-average defender at shortstop with good hands and 55 speed, although once again, he was bad at the whole basestealing thing, going 14-for-23 (61 percent) to bring his career success rate down to 64 percent. I guess it’s a good thing he can field, hit, and hit for power. He could stand to walk a little more, although some of his impatience may stem from him always being young for his levels, and he needs to continue to put the ball in the air. I still see All-Star upside here, a shortstop who saves a few runs a year with his glove and adds a ton more with .280-.300 averages, adequate walk rates, and 15-20 homers a year."

Valera: "Valera and Rocchio have been on nearly parallel tracks the last two years, moving up from High A to Double A and then Double A to Triple A within two weeks of each other. Rocchio is the safer bet with the higher floor, but Valera offers more upside, especially with the bat, where he could be a high-OBP, 30-homer guy if he can keep his contact rate intact. Valera works the count extremely well, rarely chasing fastballs out of the zone, and is comfortable hitting with two strikes, only expanding slightly in those counts. He has very easy power to pull and the other way, with 30 homers a realistic projection for him, especially as he continues to learn which pitches to take and which to attack. After barely facing southpaws in 2021, he showed only a small platoon split in 2022, hitting better against right-handers but making almost as much contact against lefties. He’s a “flashy” player, but I say that as a compliment, as I think the game needs more guys who play with flair and energy. With average defense in right, he could be a huge impact bat who has OBPs near .400 with the aforementioned power, as long as he can hold or reduce his strikeout rate (25.6 percent last year) as he moves up the ladder."

Espino: "Espino looked incredible in spring training and in April, when he made four starts for Akron and punched out 35 of the 68 hitters he faced — not literally, that would be battery — for a strikeout rate of 51.4 percent. Then he suffered patellar tendinitis in his knee, going on the injured list in May … and never returned, as his shoulder came up sore while he was trying to return from the knee injury in late June and early July. When healthy, he shows a four-seamer in the mid- to upper-90s, touching 100, that he works with up in the zone, and then works down with a plus slider with fierce vertical break. He has a curveball that he’s largely dismissed in favor of the slider, and a changeup that’s still a work in progress but was mostly solid-average in late 2021. He also came out throwing strikes in 2022, which was the main area left for him to improve after his incredible season the year before. Now it’s down to health; he’s supposed to be ready for spring training, and if we had a crystal ball that said he was going to hold up all year, he’d be the Guardians’ top pitching prospect — which is really saying something."

Bibee: "Bibee is yet another command right-hander taken by Cleveland from a California college whose last name starts with B who has entered their system and seen his velocity jump from fringy to plus. The other guy was a fourth rounder, and Bibee was a fifth rounder, so the symmetry isn’t quite perfect, but work with me here. Bibee saw his velocity increase across most of the season, to the point where he hit 99 mph a few times in July and August, and was still sitting 93-97 when I saw him at the start of September. His fastball has some ride to it, but it’s probably his third-best pitch. He has a wipeout changeup at 82-84 with late, biting fade to it, and it’s so effective that hitters whiff on it more than half of the time they swing. (Maybe they should stop swinging?) He also has an above-average slider in the mid-80s, up to 88, with solid tilt, that he uses almost exclusively to right-handers, and a show-me curveball that looks pretty but that he probably shouldn’t use more than a few times a game. Even with the big jump in velo, he’s still a strike-thrower, with a walk rate of just 5.2 percent, thanks to a repeatable delivery that keeps him online to the plate, with added deception from his high three-quarters slot. He looks like a potential No. 2 starter, especially if he goes heavy changeup/slider and doesn’t rely too much on the fastball."

Williams: "Williams fell to the 23rd pick in the 2021 draft despite having clear top-10 stuff and results because some teams were concerned about the health of his back at the time. Cleveland has a history of taking pitchers with medical concerns in the first round, hitting on some (Danny Espino) and whiffing on others (Brady Aiken, Ethan Hankins). Williams might be another hit, as his elite fastball helped him tear through High A and Double A in his full-season debut last year, with strikeout rates of 40 percent and 29 percent at the two levels and an ERA on the season of just 1.96. His fastball is up to 98 mph and he’ll sit 95 with big-time vertical break, while his power slider is an above-average pitch at 86-89 and he’ll show an average curveball with good shape and tight spin. His changeup is a below-average pitch, lacking much deception or action, even though he has a good idea of when and how to use it. Lefties hit for 100 more points of OBP and 200 more points of slugging against him last year, yet he still struck a third of them out on the season, so there’s reason to think he can close that platoon split at least part of the way. The fastball/slider and his above-average control point to a No. 2 starter ceiling if he does."

Naylor: "Naylor returns to the top 100 after a year off the list — he was No. 42 going into 2021, but had such a disastrous year at the plate, hitting .189/.280/.332 in Double A after the off year and a two-level jump from Low A, that I couldn’t include him last year no matter how much I liked the player. Naylor returned to Double A to start 2022, hit well enough to earn a promotion to Triple A, then hit well enough there (.257/.366/.514) to get a brief call-up to the majors in September. Naylor is still quite young, turning 23 in late February, and shows a broad mix of skills as well as the athleticism to continue improving. He’s a disciplined hitter who doesn’t chase much and has fared better against breaking stuff than most hitters his age at the higher levels. He doesn’t miss many fastballs or changeups, and the power he showed in the minors last year (21 homers) is backed up by his solid contact quality and tendency to put the ball in the air, although he can get too pull-happy. He’s become a solid defender with work and time, but there is still skepticism around whether he stays there long-term. I think he’s a solid regular as a catcher who could also move to some other positions if needed, with mediocre batting averages but strong walk rates and 20-odd homers a year."
 
Here is the number of prospects each American League team has in the top 55 of Law's list:

Cleveland 6
Baltimore 3
Boston 3
Yankees 2
Minnesota 2
Tampa Bay 2
Chicago, Toronto, Texas 1
Kansas City, Detroit 0

Not bad, especially coming off a 92-win season with the youngest team in baseball and losing only Hedges, Maile, and Shaw, which are all easily replaced.

The only AL team that can possibly match the Guardians in quality and quantity in Law's top 100 is Baltimore, with prospects ranked 2, 15, 19, 73, 84, and 95. So they match us in number and have three guys ranked higher than our best. The O's were 83-79 last year so their future looks pretty good except for having to compete with the huge payroll teams in the East and excellent organizations in Toronto and Tampa.
 
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The other thing that struck me from Law's list was how many shortstops there are at the top. Shortstops ranked 2, 4, 8, 9, 11, 18, 19, 20, 21, and 22. That's an amazing 10 shortstops in the top 22 prospects.

I'm sure some of them will be moved elsewhere by the time they get to the majors. The #2 guy, for example, will probably end up at 3rd for the Orioles. But there's a lot of shortstop talent coming up.
 
Cam Collier, the guy Law ranked 17th, could have been picked last draft. And 28th RHP Bobby Miller or 60th C/1B Tyler Soderstrom (over Carson freaking Tucker).
And of course Junior Caminero (99th)

This FO is awesome at drafting for value, but they occasionally outsmart themselves with their top pick. Nobody's perfect, I guess.
 
Cam Collier, the guy Law ranked 17th, could have been picked last draft. And 28th RHP Bobby Miller or 60th C/1B Tyler Soderstrom (over Carson freaking Tucker).
And of course Junior Caminero (99th)

This FO is awesome at drafting for value, but they occasionally outsmart themselves with their top pick. Nobody's perfect, I guess.

DeLauter makes a ton of sense so I am not worried about that one over Collier...

Carson Tucker though has been a flop so far, but he is still young... Let's see how he gets back up from since to make it to the top you have to have the mettle to get back up when you get hit hard...

At least if Tucker does flop, they have a ton of MIF candidiates...
 
Here is the number of prospects each American League team has in the top 55 of Law's list:

Cleveland 6
Baltimore 3
Boston 3
Yankees 2
Minnesota 2
Tampa Bay 2
Chicago, Toronto, Texas 1
Kansas City, Detroit 0

Not bad, especially coming off a 92-win season with the youngest team in baseball and losing only Hedges, Maile, and Shaw, which are all easily replaced.

The only AL team that can possibly match the Guardians in quality and quantity in Law's top 100 is Baltimore, with prospects ranked 2, 15, 19, 73, 84, and 95. So they match us in number and have three guys ranked higher than our best. The O's were 83-79 last year so their future looks pretty good except for having to compete with the huge payroll teams in the East and excellent organizations in Toronto and Tampa.
What about Oakland, Los Angeles, Seattle, and Houston? The AL West is part of the AL too :)
 

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