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That Bucks 2029 unprotected pick could be nice.
 
I’ve been thinking about it and if I were the Bucks I would have tried to trade Middleton instead of Holiday if I could
 
cavsfever said:
I’ve been thinking about it and if I were the Bucks I would have tried to trade Middleton instead of Holiday if I could
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I guess he could’ve been traded on October 4th. I would imagine Jrue had more value on the secondary trade market due to his contract and perimeter defense. The injuries have taken their toll on Middleton for sure.

That being said, Middleton is still more valuable to the Bucks IF healthy. It will be a lot easier for them to find a defensive specialist in the buyout market that can play the 2 than it would be to try and replace what Middleton does. I would think they’ll be a potential landing spot for Reggie Bullock as an example.
 
cavsfever said:
I’ve been thinking about it and if I were the Bucks I would have tried to trade Middleton instead of Holiday if I could
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No doubt, but that wouldn't have gotten it done for Dame.

Cam Payne is pretty good as far as who's available at this point. They could really use another perimeter playmaker. I wouldn't want my half-court offense starting with Giannis having the ball behind the 3pt line, ever. But when Dame is resting, I'm not sure what else they can do.
 
The WNBA will announce an expansion on Thursday.
Do you want a franchise back in Cleveland?
 
Mott the Hoople said:
The WNBA will announce an expansion on Thursday.
Do you want a franchise back in Cleveland?
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Not unless Gilbert wants to get more people to Rocket/Jacks 20 times a year during the summer. I don't know if the time is past for a Cleveland team, or if a renewal would spark interest. The Monsters are a good side business already. One thing I like about the Monsters is they honored retired numbers of former Baron/Lumberjacks players to tie into the city's hockey history.

I think Gordon Gund folded the Rockers too early. Why he bought the team from the WNBA in 2002 after being a franchise for five years and folding them a year later is a mystery. Although the league never made money, Gilbert buying the Cavs a couple of years later could have kept the team afloat or spun off to another investor.

The WNBA has never turned a profit, and attendance gradually decreased from the league's second season high of 10,869/game in 1998 to 6,535/game in 2019.

The types of women's sports that are most successful compared to men's are sports where they are usually intertwined schedule wise: ATP/WTA tennis, rugby, beach volleyball. Even the NWSL draws about 35-40% the attendance of their MSL brother franchises. Here in Orlando the Orlando City SC draw over 20k fans a game and the Pride barely average 4.5k. Seattle and Portland seem to be strong markets for women's sports between basketball and soccer.
 
southernflyer said:
The types of women's sports that are most successful compared to men's are sports where they are usually intertwined schedule wise: ATP/WTA tennis, rugby, beach volleyball.
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I can think.of some other reasons apart from scheduling that may explain why women's tennis and beach volleyball are successful.
 
IMO there are sports that reward feminine characteristics, by which I don’t just mean looks but the particular musculature and movement patterns of women. Women tennis players are hot and wear short skirts, yes. But IMO another reason the sport is highly popular is that with the slower hitting and movement it actually becomes more relatable and easier to follow than the sometimes superhuman hitting speeds of men, without losing any of the fundamental tennis strategic interest of ball placement etc - in fact sometimes it’s easier to follow the strategy with a slower pace.

In women’s basketball the players are highly skilled (great shooters actually) but the fact that they are slower and more ground bound than men is evident all the time in large and small ways (e.g most WNBA shooting motions would get blocked every single time in the men’s game) and detracts from some of the reasons I enjoy basketball.

Sorry I know this is controversial but just giving my opinion. There’s a reason why the WNBA hasn’t fully caught on and it isn’t just sexism, it’s a different product. I’m saying this as someone who has actually attended multiple WNBA games in person, which not all here can say!
 
We had a crowd of college age female rugby players at our gig last weekend. They're a good looking, crazy acting bunch. If you don't think so, they might kick your butt.
 
cavsfever said:
IMO there are sports that reward feminine characteristics, by which I don’t just mean looks but the particular musculature and movement patterns of women. Women tennis players are hot and wear short skirts, yes. But IMO another reason the sport is highly popular is that with the slower hitting and movement it actually becomes more relatable and easier to follow than the sometimes superhuman hitting speeds of men, without losing any of the fundamental tennis strategic interest of ball placement etc - in fact sometimes it’s easier to follow the strategy with a slower pace.

In women’s basketball the players are highly skilled (great shooters actually) but the fact that they are slower and more ground bound than men is evident all the time in large and small ways (e.g most WNBA shooting motions would get blocked every single time in the men’s game) and detracts from some of the reasons I enjoy basketball.

Sorry I know this is controversial but just giving my opinion. There’s a reason why the WNBA hasn’t fully caught on and it isn’t just sexism, it’s a different product. I’m saying this as someone who has actually attended multiple WNBA games in person, which not all here can say!
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Here's the deal for me personally - for me to watch women's sports, the women have to be offering something truly different from the men, not just be a worse version of the men's game plus a bunch of babbling about how that's actually better.

So women's gymnastics? I don't see guys doing that same stuff so it's pretty cool. Women's parallel bars are just more entertaining than the men's high bar. But women's soccer? The women's national team has been clobbered by 14-15 year old boy's teams. So if I'm not going to watch 14-15 year old boy's teams unless my kid is playing, why would I want to watch a team that is objectively worse? Same with women's basketball.

I think girls/women participating in sports is great. But I have zero interest in watching it unless there is some personal connection or something of actual interest.
 
southernflyer said:
Not unless Gilbert wants to get more people to Rocket/Jacks 20 times a year during the summer. I don't know if the time is past for a Cleveland team, or if a renewal would spark interest. The Monsters are a good side business already. One thing I like about the Monsters is they honored retired numbers of former Baron/Lumberjacks players to tie into the city's hockey history.

I think Gordon Gund folded the Rockers too early. Why he bought the team from the WNBA in 2002 after being a franchise for five years and folding them a year later is a mystery. Although the league never made money, Gilbert buying the Cavs a couple of years later could have kept the team afloat or spun off to another investor.

The WNBA has never turned a profit, and attendance gradually decreased from the league's second season high of 10,869/game in 1998 to 6,535/game in 2019.

The types of women's sports that are most successful compared to men's are sports where they are usually intertwined schedule wise: ATP/WTA tennis, rugby, beach volleyball. Even the NWSL draws about 35-40% the attendance of their MSL brother franchises. Here in Orlando the Orlando City SC draw over 20k fans a game and the Pride barely average 4.5k. Seattle and Portland seem to be strong markets for women's sports between basketball and soccer.
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Cynthia Cooper was amazing in those early seasons, and I believe she still has the highest PER of WNBA players, IIRC. Honestly, I don't think any player has been quite like her since. I remember my dad stopped watching when she retired.
 
If women started talking shit and fighting more often, more people would watch.

Also culture wars could be beneficial. Need more at stake.

We saw what happened with the World Cup.
 
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