Odell Beckham Jr.,: Seatbelts Ruin Lives

[Los216]

Compare Odell's per game numbers to Amari Cooper, Mike Evans, and Hopkins. Those are the other top paid WR's. How much better are their numbers than Odell's and who is throwing the ball to those guys?

Dak, Brady, and Murray. Odell's per game numbers are right on par with them and he clearly has the worst QB play in the whole group.

All I'm saying is when people throw out the word elite are they taking any consideration into the QB play of those WR's? Our top WR has not had nearly the same level of QB play as the other top paid WR's yet his numbers are right on par.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

Go look at Hopkins numbers this year. That's elite? Plus Odell has missed 2 games. 5 for 79 is not a bad day. What the stats do not show you is Odell was open for multiple TD's this year where his QB missed him. A lot of yards left on the field.

The only people bringing up the elite argument are people who are finding reasons to hate on Odell. Stefon Diggs led the league in receiving last season. Are his numbers elite this year. He has 1 more TD than Odell and Odell doesn't have a TD this season.

Show me the elite WR's and then show me their QB's.

Who are the top WR's this year and do any of them have QB's worst than Baker right now?

Hopkins has 1 less touchdown this year than Odell does in his Browns career

absolutely amazing to me how you’re dogging other WRs while OBJ continues to prove he’s JAG

 

[Los216]

I’m 100% sure that wouldn’t be the case if we had Tyreke Hill or Davante Adams

you know, ACTUALLY elite WRs

But the fact is that Baker is not throwing a high percentage of TD's to WR's. It's not just an Odell thing. He has not been good at getting the ball in the endzone this year.

Adams only has 2 TD's this year btw. He has 46 catches on the season but only 2 TD's. He had one yesterday but it was called back. Odell had 3 wide open TD's in the Vikings game but Baker missed him. Baker missed him yesterday in the endzone too.

So it's not like Odell is never open for TD's. In fact Odell and Adams are getting open on their routes more than any receivers in the league this year. So there's evidence to show that Odell not only gets open but he gets open for potential TD's. He doesn't even get targets in the endzone. How is any of that on the WR and not on the QB for not getting the ball to him.

 

[FrontPageNews]

 

[Los216]

Hopkins has 1 less touchdown this year than Odell does in his Browns career

absolutely amazing to me how you’re dogging other WRs while OBJ continues to prove he’s JAG

I'm asking you why Odell doesn't have more TD's.

Is it because he's not open for TD's or is it because his QB can't get the ball to him for TD's?

Odell gets open more than any receiver in the league except for Devante Adams. So Odell gets open but since he's not getting the ball for scores he's a JAG? If anyone is a JAG it's the QB who has an offense tailor made for him yet not a single pass catcher is having a productive season for us. Not one.

If Odell is a JAG then what are the other pass catchers on this team?

You're ignoring the fact that every single pass catchers production is below expectations right now. You can try to focus on Odell but your argument falls apart when you look down the roster and every single pass catcher looks below average right now.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

I'm asking you why Odell doesn't have more TD's.

Is it because he's not open for TD's or is it because his QB can't get the ball to him for TD's?

Odell gets open more than any receiver in the league except for Devante Adams. So Odell gets open but since he's not getting the ball for scores he's a JAG? If anyone is a JAG it's the QB who has an offense tailor made for him yet not a single pass catcher is having a productive season for us. Not one.

If Odell is a JAG then what are the other pass catchers on this team?

You're ignoring the fact that every single pass catchers production is below expectations right now. You can try to focus on Odell but your argument falls apart when you look down the roster and every single pass catcher looks below average right now.

So...why is DPJ and Higgins getting TD catches but not OBJ?

 

[Los216]

So...why is DPJ and Higgins getting TD catches but not OBJ?

DPJ has two TD's. Both of them came in yesterdays game and one of them was on a Hail Mary. Big stuff there.

The one TD that Higgins has on the season was literally because of Odell drawing a double team that left Higgins wide open.

Odell had 3 TD opportunities that were wide open in the Vikings game and had Baker converted on them Odell would be leading the team with a whopping 3 TD catches.

So this narrative that the other pass catchers are just walking in the endzone and racking up catches is just not true.

Odell also leads our WR's in targets, catches, and yards per game.

 

[KCOTT]

So...why is DPJ and Higgins getting TD catches but not OBJ?

OBJ has only played in 4 games and would have had one against MIN (or was it LA?) to end the game if Baker didn't throw it behind him

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Odell had 3 TD opportunities that were wide open in the Vikings game and had Baker converted on them Odell would be leading the team with a whopping 3 TD catches.

Assuming Odell actually catches all 3 opportunities is a massive stretch.

 

[Cassity14]

I thought @Los216 was king of the "no excuses" line.

 

[DJTJ]

I thought @Los216 was king of the "no excuses" line.

No.

Only excuses when it’s about players he likes. Model of consistency, though.

 

[Wrathe]

Best part of OBJ is he makes me appreciate Landry even more.

 

[I'mWithDan]

I think people aren't properly framing Odell's counting stats.

Per game basis:

League Average: 23/35, 65.9%, 247.6 yards, 1.7 TD, 0.8 INT
Baker Mayfield: 19/28, 67.1%, 245.7 yards, 1.0 TD, 0.5 INT

That equates to an 18% reduction in catches, relative to league average.
That equates to a 20% reduction in targets, relative to league average.
That equates to a 41% reduction in touchdowns, relative to league average.

Already bad in a 6 game sample. How about the 4 Odell has played?

Per game basis when Odell plays:

League Average: 23/35, 65.9%, 247.6 yards, 1.7 TD, 0.8 INT
Baker Mayfield: 19/31, 61.3%, 235.0 yards, 1.25 TD, 1.25 INT

What the hell are we even talking about in this thread? From a raw numbers perspective?

This is to league average......not even a good QB.

Odell is #14 in the NFL in Targeted Air Yards per game. It is on par with Jamarr Chase for example.

Per game stats of these players:

Odell: 3.5 catches, 6.75 targets, 50.75 yards, 0.0 TD
Chase: 4.5 catches, 6.83 targets, 92.3 yards, 0.83 TD

Think about that production spread difference relative to their air yard opportunity.

I don't know, maybe the WR is playing at a decently high level but the QB hasn't been great? Or no?

I'm not even an OBJ stan......I would move on from him after this year.......but I wouldn't describe him as the sole problem here.

We are in a league average passing offense, with a league average QB and people want him to be Davante Adams.

 

[Cassity14]

I think people aren't properly framing Odell's counting stats.

Per game basis:

League Average: 23/35, 65.9%, 247.6 yards, 1.7 TD, 0.8 INT
Baker Mayfield: 19/28, 67.1%, 245.7 yards, 1.0 TD, 0.5 INT

That equates to an 18% reduction in catches, relative to league average.
That equates to a 20% reduction in targets, relative to league average.
That equates to a 41% reduction in touchdowns, relative to league average.

Already bad in a 6 game sample. How about the 4 Odell has played?

Per game basis when Odell plays:

League Average: 23/35, 65.9%, 247.6 yards, 1.7 TD, 0.8 INT
Baker Mayfield: 19/31, 61.3%, 235.0 yards, 1.25 TD, 1.25 INT

What the hell are we even talking about in this thread? From a raw numbers perspective?

This is to league average......not even a good QB.

Odell is #14 in the NFL in Targeted Air Yards per game. It is on par with Jamarr Chase for example.

Per game stats of these players:

Odell: 3.5 catches, 6.75 targets, 50.75 yards, 0.0 TD
Chase: 4.5 catches, 6.83 targets, 92.3 yards, 0.83 TD

Think about that production spread difference relative to their air yard opportunity.

I don't know, maybe the WR is playing at a decently high level but the QB hasn't been great? Or no?

I'm not even an OBJ stan......I would move on from him after this year.......but I wouldn't describe him as the sole problem here.

We are in a league average passing offense, with a league average QB and people want him to be Davante Adams.

I don't think a single person has even attempted to describe OBJ as "the sole problem here."

I appreciate that the stats you include *again* demonstrate that the Browns' passing game is worse when he's on the field. That's a correlation that I can no longer ignore, regardless of how illogical it may seem to put stock into.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

I think people aren't properly framing Odell's counting stats.

Per game basis:

League Average: 23/35, 65.9%, 247.6 yards, 1.7 TD, 0.8 INT
Baker Mayfield: 19/28, 67.1%, 245.7 yards, 1.0 TD, 0.5 INT

That equates to an 18% reduction in catches, relative to league average.
That equates to a 20% reduction in targets, relative to league average.
That equates to a 41% reduction in touchdowns, relative to league average.

Already bad in a 6 game sample. How about the 4 Odell has played?

Per game basis when Odell plays:

League Average: 23/35, 65.9%, 247.6 yards, 1.7 TD, 0.8 INT
Baker Mayfield: 19/31, 61.3%, 235.0 yards, 1.25 TD, 1.25 INT

What the hell are we even talking about in this thread? From a raw numbers perspective?

This is to league average......not even a good QB.

Odell is #14 in the NFL in Targeted Air Yards per game. It is on par with Jamarr Chase for example.

Per game stats of these players:

Odell: 3.5 catches, 6.75 targets, 50.75 yards, 0.0 TD
Chase: 4.5 catches, 6.83 targets, 92.3 yards, 0.83 TD

Think about that production spread difference relative to their air yard opportunity.

I don't know, maybe the WR is playing at a decently high level but the QB hasn't been great? Or no?

I'm not even an OBJ stan......I would move on from him after this year.......but I wouldn't describe him as the sole problem here.

We are in a league average passing offense, with a league average QB and people want him to be Davante Adams.

Without Davante Adams the Packers would have lesser passing stats across the board. It’s kind of wild to me how it just gets glossed over so often that you didn’t even note that Baker’s stats are, again, worse with the return of OBJ. What other team can say that? Honestly no other team likely has the sample size to be meaningful

and we compare him to Davante Adams and Reke because people on this board call him an elite WR. So then in turn the OBJ skeptics compare him to other elite WRs.

And really the people bringing up counting stats oddly enough are the obj supporters. I can tell by watching the games Odell isn’t even in the same galaxy as Adams or Hill, no stats needed