The 2023-2024 Off-Season Thread

[PIP]

Can they not hit 3’s ? Sounds like a personal problem…

Okay, fine, —-Give JBB Steph Curry and Devin Booker (along with Donovan) and watch all you hide back into your huts with the 3 point bomb onslaught…

Not a single person here would say JBB is a terrible coach outside of Futuredome…

 

[inliner311]

Can they not hit 3’s ? Sounds like a personal problem…

Okay, fine, —-Give JBB Steph Curry and Devin Booker (along with Donovan) and watch all you hide back into your huts with the 3 point bomb onslaught…

Not a single person here would say JBB is a terrible coach outside of Futuredome…

My biggest problems with JBB is his lack of adjustments and wanting to stick to one style of play. It just isn't a winning formula for a coach in the playoffs.

I think you could give JBB a real talented roster but he wouldn't be able to adjust quick enough once opposing teams adjust. He might stumble upon some real great lineup to lean against but if he didn't I just don't believe he is good enough at adjustments to recognize when to use a handful of good lineups.

I think Lue's biggest strength was his able to adjust in the playoffs. He had his faults in another areas but that made him a championship level playoff coach.

 

[HammerGold]

Or maybe JBB is taking a team from scratch and building it accordingly…Unlike what Vogel could do…. Or Kerr…. Or Ham…..The ones everyone praises around here didn’t do much without a roster…

Kerr was 15-50 the year when Curry played 5 games…Pop sucked for the last few years…

Did they just automatically become terrible at their profession? Oh but that Frank Vogel was compromised by Westbrook — but when he was in Orlando with no Westbrooks he was ??? “OH BUT DWIGHT HOWARD WASN'T ON THAT TEAM”

The people calling for JBB’s head are the same who think these other coaches are spectacular….

Give JBB Giannis & Luka right now to pair with Donovan and he’s a genius….

JBB got his ass beat by an inferior Knicks roster. He lost both play in games last year with a better roster and hc in the second matchup. Guy sucks. Of course roster is more important than coaching which makes his Knicks series all the more embarrassing. Might be the worst coach in the league when you look at it that way.

 

[PIP]

Yea I’m not gonna look at it that way cause that way is stupid.

 

[HammerGold]

Yea I’m not gonna look at it that way cause that way is stupid.

The Knicks roster is very mediocre.

 

[PIP]

So is the Cavs.

 

[jhernjh]

So is the Cavs.

And yet had the better roster

 

[CavsKermit]

What are the Cavs thinking in keeping JBB?
When Mike Brown lost LBJ they gave him ONE year with a bad roster and then fired him.
Ty Lue won Cleveland its first title and one year after LBJ left and he was stuck with a bad roster they fired him.
Byron Scott had a shitty roster and didn’t they fire him after two seasons?
They never gave these guys a chance by building a nice roster for them to have a team to turn around. YET they give JBB a team with several nice pieces and what does he do? Fails to get them out of the play in one year and fails to get them out of the first round the next year! YET he’s getting a third year to run it back! Not understanding that reasoning!

Lue quit as much as got fired. He doesn't ascribe to the theory of force feeding young guys minutes.

Byron Scott admitted that he never has the team practice defense once in two years.

Mike Brown probably shouldn't have been rehired, but it was Kyrie or Brown at that point because Kyrie wasn't signing a long-term deal with Brown as the coach.

Having said all of that, Kevin Love started in a Finals game last night. Both the front office and coaching staff should be reevaluating the decision to buy him out and the events leading up to the same. That one should sting.

 

[Alabuckeye]

I’ve watched KLove’s output for the playoffs because of the complaints on here. He sat an entire series. Other than that, he’s been good for 20 minites(as a starter) with about 8 points and 6-7 rebounds.
is that really what we were missing against the knicks?

 

[Dr No]

I’ve watched KLove’s output for the playoffs because of the complaints on here. He sat an entire series. Other than that, he’s been good for 20 minites(as a starter) with about 8 points and 6-7 rebounds.
is that really what we were missing against the knicks?

what we were missing against the Knicks is some (1) players, (2) a plan, and (3) toughness. We needed a shooter who could rebound & defend. Kev could have at least done 2 of the 3 had JBB let him off the bench. But, resurrecting this corpse so I can beat it again - (1) I know Wade had been pretty bad the last half of the season, but there really was no excuse not giving him a chance. He probably wouldn't have gotten it done, but "probably" is better than "no chance" to get it done - which is what the players we played had. We've watched other teams in playoffs trust guys who had been playing poorly and been rewarded handsomely for it. Hell - the whole Heat team would have been permanently benched by JBB for the way they were playing most of the year. To not allow the one guy left on the roster who has the skillset you need to get a shot was asinine. (2) Does anyone know what we were trying to do on offense or defense? Our guys were not put in positions to succeed. (3) We are soft mentally and physically. Kevin could have helped with this. He's been there. He gets what it takes. Miami is in the finals basically because they are mentally and physically tougher than everyone else. We got nearly swept because we are just the opposite.

Looking ahead - our players are still getting better. And if JBB wont play who we have, then maybe Altman can get him some players he will play. But I really don't see anything on the horizon that improves us as much as internal development. As far as getting a better plan. JBB will continue to be bad. Hopefully the players keep playing for him and overcome the lack of X & O acumen. As far as toughness. Some comes with time, experience and maturity. But we could use a stone cold killer/asshole on this team.

 

[ryanf]

PIP defending JBB too much. the lack of execution right after time outs and the lack of adjustment in the knicks series is proof that JBB's not there yet, and with JBB's history, it seems like he's stuck in the 90s style of coaching.

 

[Huber.]

Soupgate does get a shout out

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I’ve watched KLove’s output for the playoffs because of the complaints on here. He sat an entire series. Other than that, he’s been good for 20 minites(as a starter) with about 8 points and 6-7 rebounds.
is that really what we were missing against the knicks?

One of the problems we had was the way JBB chose to defend Brunson, and Love obviously wouldn't have helped with that.

But the Knicks also killed us with their offensive rebounds, and Love definitely would have helped with that. We also averaged just a shade over 20 ppg from our bench, and he very likely would have helped with that as well.

At the very least, the fact that it is a legitimate debate shows the folly of releasing him for absolutely nothing when we did not have anyone who was clearly better to replace him.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

One of the problems we had was the way JBB chose to defend Brunson, and Love obviously wouldn't have helped with that.

But the Knicks also killed us with their offensive rebounds, and Love definitely would have helped with that. We also averaged just a shade over 20 ppg from our bench, and he very likely would have helped with that as well.

At the very least, the fact that it is a legitimate debate shows the folly of releasing him for absolutely nothing when we did not have anyone who was clearly better to replace him.

To me, the biggest thing is he could’ve helped the young players handle the atmosphere. He’s the only guy the Cavs had who had played in an environment like that. Just having a guy on the bench that could help steady the younger players could’ve made a huge difference.

**edit - I agree with everything you said, just adding that even if he couldn’t have contributed on the floor, guys like Allen and Mitchell specifically could’ve used his experience.

 

[foucault87]

Love also made the offense look a lot smoother. Even when he was shooting like Shaq from 3, his awareness of where to be, passing skill, and better screen setting skills made the offense always look better than when he wasnt out there. And even if he was brick city, the man has gravity on the perimeter which matters as much for spacing and flow as hitting the shots. No one was gonna defend Stevens or Okoro in the corners. But the guy who dropped 33 in a quarter? Yeah you defend him. Its why his +/- wasnt too bad even with the lack of shooting accuracy and defense. Makes me so mad everytime I think about it with this tiny brain coach who doesnt look at analytics or strategy