The Jarvis Landry Thread: Bless 'Em

[Remi]

The only thing that's ever been able to stop Josh Gordon is a piss test.

Must be why Njoku is the one in this photo....

 

[Jack Brickman]

Must be why Njoku is the one in this photo....

Yeah, got them mixed up.

 

[MoFlo]

The yds/target debate is silly (it's a useless stat, IMO), but here you go:

Edelman: 7.08 yds/target
Landry: 7.08 yds/target

Landry has a higher catch% than Edelman does over the course of their careers.

He also has only 2 less TD and 500 less yards than Edelman despite being in the league for 4 fewer years than Edelman.

He's also a hell of a lot healthier than Edelman.

Basically, if you'd be cool with having Edelman on this team, you should love Landry here.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

I don't see how it's a useless stat.

It's an efficiency stat. Now whether that low efficiency comes form role, player, teammates etc is the part that is up for debate

Any statistic that is taken as the only measure is going to be an incomplete view. But I see no reason why yards per target would be useless/doesn't provide illuminating information

 

[Jack Brickman]

I don't see how it's a useless stat.

It's an efficiency stat. Now whether that low efficiency comes form role, player, teammates etc is the part that is up for debate

Any statistic that is taken as the only measure is going to be an incomplete view. But I see no reason why yards per target would be useless/doesn't provide illuminating information

Yeah, Landry has always been a pretty inefficient player with the amount of targets he gets. That's why he's number one in the league in catches, number three in targets, but somehow number fifteen in yards. He runs the shallowest routes in the league. Now, he's effective at that, and he has a nice catch rate, but he has always been and likely will continue to be inefficient with his touches.

Personally, I'm in the camp that thinks he's a better fantasy player than NFL player, but he's still a good slot receiver regardless. I think that, if he's your best receiver, though, you've got a problem. He was basically forced into that role in Miami due to shit QBs that had an inability to throw downfield.

 

[FiveThous]

Yeah, Landry has always been a pretty inefficient player with the amount of targets he gets. That's why he's number one in the league in catches, number three in targets, but somehow number fifteen in yards. He runs the shallowest routes in the league. Now, he's effective at that, and he has a nice catch rate, but he has always been and likely will continue to be inefficient with his touches.

Personally, I'm in the camp that thinks he's a better fantasy player than NFL player, but he's still a good slot receiver regardless. I think that, if he's your best receiver, though, you've got a problem. He was basically forced into that role in Miami due to shit QBs that had an inability to throw downfield.

I'd be extremely pumped if he was our 3rd option at WR outside of Flash and CoCo. If he's catching 60 balls for 500 yards, the Browns offense should be fantastic. If he's catching 80 balls for 750 yards, we're going to be in some trouble.

 

[MGMT]

But what’s the issue with the targets not producing yards? Is it the idea that he doesn’t get YAC? Because if he’s running shallow routes, isn’t he performing his assignment within the play?

Or does he have an option and he constantly elects the shortest route?

 

[Pick6]

I'd be extremely pumped if he was our 3rd option at WR outside of Flash and CoCo. If he's catching 60 balls for 500 yards, the Browns offense should be fantastic. If he's catching 80 balls for 750 yards, we're going to be in some trouble.

Jarvis Landry's career catch rate is 70.2%. 750 yards / 80 catches = 9.375 yards a catch. 9.375 yards/catch * 70.2% catch rate = 6.58 yards per target. Last I checked, you get 4 downs to make it 10 yards and 6.58 yards per play gives us more than enough room to move the chains.

I fail to see an issue.

 

[getBUCKED]

Ya’ll are some box score monkeys out here. Put on the game tape and watch how Landry actually plays. He’s a dog and will immediately become one of your favorite players this season.

 

[Chris]

Ya’ll are some box score monkeys out here. Put on the game tape and watch how Landry actually plays. He’s a dog and will immediately become one of your favorite players this season.

Yeah, I totally agree. Especially after going back and watching a lot of Landry.

People will complain about literally anything.

 

[Jack Brickman]

I don't think the argument is so much that Landry isn't good, but rather that, if you're throwing him the ball 161 times in a season, your offense probably isn't going to be very good. He's just not efficient enough with his touches to warrant being third in the league in targets.

Now, if he's getting 80-100 targets? That's probably a lot more reasonable.

 

[Lyst]

I don't think the argument is so much that Landry isn't good, but rather that, if you're throwing him the ball 161 times in a season, your offense probably isn't going to be very good. He's just not efficient enough with his touches to warrant being third in the league in targets.

Now, if he's getting 80-100 targets? That's probably a lot more reasonable.

Who even cares? We did not win ONE GAME last year.

I'd watch Tyrod sling it to Landry 3,000 times a game if it ended up in a win.

 

[Pick6]

I don't think the argument is so much that Landry isn't good, but rather that, if you're throwing him the ball 161 times in a season, your offense probably isn't going to be very good. He's just not efficient enough with his touches to warrant being third in the league in targets.

Now, if he's getting 80-100 targets? That's probably a lot more reasonable.

The numbers don't lie. Based on past performance - your offense would literally unstoppable if you threw the ball to him every single play.

In the 2016 season (when the Browns actually won a game), they averaged 5.06 yards per play. If you throw the ball to Landry 161 times and he catches 70.2% of those passes and only averages 8.8 yards per catch (a career low) your offense would average 6.17 yards per play. Thats good enough for 3rd best in the NFL in 2016.

Once again, I'm failing to see an inefficiency here.

 

[Jack Brickman]

The numbers don't lie. Based on past performance - your offense would literally unstoppable if you threw the ball to him every single play.

In the 2016 season (when the Browns actually won a game), they averaged 5.06 yards per play. If you throw the ball to Landry 161 times and he catches 70.2% of those passes and only averages 8.8 yards per catch (a career low) your offense would average 6.17 yards per play. Thats good enough for 3rd best in the NFL in 2016.

And yet the Dolphins did throw to him 161 times, he caught 69.6% of them, and the Dolphins were still one of the worst ten offenses in the league. It's almost like feeding a slot receiver like he's a true number one WR results in an inefficient offense.

 

[Chris]

I think a lot more went into making the Dolphins a bad offense than they threw to Jarvis Landry a lot.