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LeBron already did the whole "come back to win one for The Land" thing, so if he returns again it'd have to be because he wants to win with these cats, right? He can chase stats anywhere and he can sign a retirement contract if he wants to finish up in Cleveland.

Maybe it's a fantasy to expect a GOAT-level player to "fit in" but if he committed to winning with this squad it'd be filthy. Imagine if you swapped LeVert for LeBron. He's a better passer, better scorer, better shooter, more versatile, bigger, longer... Obviously his role would be expanded but this would turn us from a play-in team to an Eastern conference juggernaut again, in my view. And what's more is that rather than playing with finished products like Love or Davis, he's dishing to young players who will improve throughout and between seasons. That means instead of filling up the stat sheet every night on a team of old losers he could let the kids run around while he preserves his best stuff for the playoffs.

As for Allen, I'm not convinced there is a problem there. Jarrett has great chemistry with Garland, plays the pick n roll well, offers a lob threat, can do some dirty work, and serves as a defensive anchor. Allen has scoring capabilities but he's not someone that should or needs to have the ball dumped down to him in the post a bunch to stay happy. There's a role for him still in this scenario in my mind, but I also tend toward wishful thinking with regard to basketball.

I think especially if Mobley's game develops more in the mid to long range they can mesh together. Within the starting unit you'd want to either keep Markkanen at the 3 or slot in Agbaji (assuming he develops into the shooter w/ some D we want) to help with spacing. And hey, LeBron isn't exactly a slouch from range. He's been around or above 35% five of the last six seasons (his worst 3 point season in recent memory was our 2016 title season). So while you aren't the Dubs, you'd have outside threats at 4 of 5 positions with tons of length and passing ability.

Here's a stupid fantasy for you: Keep the cap space for next offseason and sign LeBron and Jokic. Every game would just be 48 minutes of the Cavs passing the ball over the heads of other teams and scoring at will.
 
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True, but isn't that really true of every fan base everywhere? Going to a game does not make it more likely that your team will win the championship, so why do people go and watch those games? If all that mattered was the act of winning a championship, there wouldn't be any reason to watch or even listen to any games before that one.
 
True, but isn't that really true of every fan base everywhere? Going to a game does not make it more likely that your team will win the championship, so why do people go and watch those games? If all that mattered was the act of winning a championship, there wouldn't be any reason to watch or even listen to any games before that one.
Yes, but no fan base proves your notion better than Browns fans. I see things the same way you do; I've always thought the "life's a journey, not a destination" statement extends very nicely to sports.
 
Lebron doesn’t blow up teams he joins - what he does do is:
1) Force teams to optimize around his unique abilities
2) Force teams to trade future assets at a discount in service of point 1.

For prime Lebron, #1 of course makes sense to do. For prime Lebron, #2 also makes sense to do.

However, Lebron also leaves teams very quickly (save Cavs part I), and makes no promises to stay, and the effect of doing so given #1 and #2 above is to leave those teams he departs both unprepared and heavily depleted for a rebuild.

Personally, I don’t think Lebron will ask for nor will the Cavs do #1 or #2 should Lebron return. I’d be happy to see him come back.

Which trade, specifically, that LeBron "forced" would you not do over again?
 
That's a load of crap. To say that there is only one "correct" way to view LeBron's return is ridiculous.

Fandom by its nature is based on emotions. There is no rational reason we all sit around and watch other people play games other than that we get some emotional satisfaction from it. So if someone has a reaction to a player that is negative and reduces that emotional satisfaction, it is perfectly rational for them not to want to see that player.

Apart from the fact that I don't like LeBron himself, I do not like the style of basketball teams play when he is on the floor. I find it miserable to watch, and tuned out much of 16-17 and 17-18 seasons because of that. I know I am not the only one who does not enjoy watching pounding of the basketball, lack of effort on defense, and endless drama.

Those negatives are less of an issue in the playoffs when he tends to put forth more effort. However, given that the the vast majority of games to watch are during the regular season, his playoff performance isn't a good enough trade-off for me.

The reason I watch sports is not for my team to win a championship. I watch sports for enjoying it, and those are not necessarily the same things.
I understand your point of view and respect it, and I don't lump it in with what I referred to in that statement. You have to admit there are a lot of Lebron haters out there primarily because of jilted lover syndrome, because he left twice and didn't proclaim his everlasting love for Cleveland by spending his whole career here. Just as there are some Lebron lovers who have their own reasons for wanting him back.

My main point was Lebron could be an asset and fill a missing link if he came here on the right kind of terms, the Cavs should only consider him under favorable terms for both short and long term interests of the franchise, and the Cavs are the ones who are in a position to dictate terms.

If the team doesn't recognize and utilize their leverage then it's a mistake. If they don't have a clear vision of how they would incorporate a return without corrupting the best qualities we currently enjoy, they're making a mistake. I'm saying the Cavs must respectfully control and dictate the terms and conditions or pass on it completely, nothing in between.

But if the Cavs respectfully use their leverage to milk a few championships out of Lebron's swan song years, it benefits everyone. Then the young core can proceed to continue on a winning path after he's finished only now with a wealth of experience that could come from a couple of years of playing and winning at the highest level with Lebron. If you deny that potential then I don't think you're seeing things clearly.
 
If it wasn’t obvious before, it’s pretty clear now that this is the plan.

Saving all that cap space next summer lines up. LeBron FA lines up. Bronny graduating high school lines up. Garland and Mobley approaching stardom lines up. Drafting the best shooter in the draft lines up.

I understand the group of you who are adamantly against it, but I just think you better learn to live with it. 3.0 sure seems to be lining up.
 
If it wasn’t obvious before, it’s pretty clear now that this is the plan.

Saving all that cap space next summer lines up. LeBron FA lines up. Bronny graduating high school lines up. Garland and Mobley approaching stardom lines up. Drafting the best shooter in the draft lines up.

I understand the group of you who are adamantly against it, but I just think you better learn to live with it. 3.0 sure seems to be lining up.

Unless he'd be here for only for 1yr, Bronny isn't eligible for the draft until 2024, so Lebron would *leave* the Cavaliers for a 3rd time to play wherever his eldest son gets drafted...
 
Unless he'd be here for only for 1yr, Bronny isn't eligible for the draft until 2024, so Lebron would *leave* the Cavaliers for a 3rd time to play wherever his eldest son gets drafted...


A few things on that.

I think Bronny is going to need at least a couple years in college. I was referring to Bronny being done with high school as LeBron not being as tied down to Bronny’s basketball schedule.

LeBron didn’t say he wanted to play with Bronny in his (Bronny’s) first season. He said his (LeBron’s) last season. It sure looks like LeBron has several seasons left.

The Cavs have plenty of draft picks. We’ve got to see how Bronny turns out as a prospect, but if he remains a lower tier player, I’d be pretty confident the Cavs would use a second on him to throw LeBron a bone.
 
If it wasn’t obvious before, it’s pretty clear now that this is the plan.

Saving all that cap space next summer lines up. LeBron FA lines up. Bronny graduating high school lines up. Garland and Mobley approaching stardom lines up. Drafting the best shooter in the draft lines up.

I understand the group of you who are adamantly against it, but I just think you better learn to live with it. 3.0 sure seems to be lining up.
The cap space is freed up because Love’s contract ends. Doubt LeBron signed his last contract to align with that.

I can dump a box of breadcrumbs on the table and arrange them to spell anything I want, but I doubt they’ll be any more convincing than the “evidence” offered to prove LeBron to Cleveland next summer is going to happen.
 
It’s fun to watch to enjoy but eventually losing the big one every time sucks the joy out of it.

You know what we don’t hear about anymore? The Curse. The 50 heat drought. Why is that? Because of Lebron James. It took a special person and player to break that. Warts and all. Can you imagine the pressure at 3-1?
 
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If it wasn’t obvious before, it’s pretty clear now that this is the plan.

Saving all that cap space next summer lines up. LeBron FA lines up. Bronny graduating high school lines up. Garland and Mobley approaching stardom lines up. Drafting the best shooter in the draft lines up.

I understand the group of you who are adamantly against it, but I just think you better learn to live with it. 3.0 sure seems to be lining up.

I agree with what @2 For The Brew said. The expiration of Love's contract was always going to be D-Day for the Cavs trying to maximize their cap space, and it looks to be more coincidence than intent that it lines up with LBJ becoming a free agent.

I'd add this -- I cannot see Koby bypassing a better potential acquisition simply to sign LBJ. Koby is going to sign whomever he thinks is best for the future of the franchise. One thing that works against LBJ in that regard is that he's essentially a short-term acquisition whose Bird rights will be worthless. If you're going to use your final chance at cap space to make one last move, getting someone for the long-term would seem to provide the most value if such a guy is available.
 
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I think Bronny is going to need at least a couple years in college.
I don't think it matters much. Right now Bronny doesn't look like an NBA prospect at all, no matter how many years he plays NCAA ball. But we all know somebody's going to draft him regardless.

That's why I'd bet he's a one and done. LeBron isn't getting any younger and the kid is irrevocably tied to his dad's timeline, not the other way around. He needs to get his ass to the league ASAP.
 

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