The Rise of Skywalker spoilers thread

[Chris]

The Leia thing was dumb. Didn't let it ruin the film for me though.

 

[Chris]

Man, I can't believe I am saying this. But....

I really miss Lucas. The man made some dumb decisions, but as annoying as Jar Jar is he will never be as stupid as LEIA FLYING THROUGH SPACE ON HER OWN. GOD DAMMIT.

No, trust me, he is.

TPM was on TV last night and I stopped to watch. Holy fuck, Jar Jar and the Gungans were just...like one of the worst things ever. But I get it, they wanted to cater to little kids.

 

[Hurl Bruce]

It's never a good thing to be thinking, "How long is this movie?" while you watch it. I did that several times.

 

[Kyrie4MVP0202]

For me this trilogy is going the way of the Hobbit trilogy.

Unwatchable compared to their source material. I’m sure Star Wars fans will be thrilled.

 

[Walter White]

They have to adhere to a certain sort of style and marketability for the main trilogies. The best Star Wars stuff will probably be the side stories. They need to bring out the Star Wars: Underworld live action tv series. Or something like that.

This whole trilogy seems like a big close to the old ones. Like their sole goal is to transition to something new but they have to get rid of the old cast first.

 

[Triplethreat]

Fuck you guys are making me rethink my whole outlook on the movie and I loved it at first

Fuck this place.

 

[gourimoko]

My main complaint was that they toyed with the idea of Rey or Kylo turning the entire movie, and even in the trailers, etc. And then neither of them do? That was the big let down for me.

Think about it...

The entire point of Rey, Ren, and Luke's own story-arc is that somehow, these Jedi can all see the future, Yoda-style. So, since none of the shit they thought was going to happen, happened, then obviously they can't. So again, the movie was (deliberately, this .. this isn't unintentional) a series of fuck-ups, starting with Luke, and the proceeding with the worst series of luck and bad decisions imaginable throughout.

By the end of the film, as you said, you're left with no Jedi (well, I guess Rey is just.. somehow .. a Jedi; oh, and Leia, I mean, she's basically an invulnerable Jedi flying through fucking space like Superman!) .. and 25 people.

Oh, and the "Hey, I'm Poe.. I'm Rey" ... yeah, you just met.. the movie is over.

(Finn, Rey hug) ... but you guys have been wanting to see each other this entire time and there's something going on here, and yet... you don't even speak to one another.

What was the point of Finn or Poe in this entire movie? Poe fucked up.. and the leadership had a plan, they just didn't tell him.. Finn accomplished nothing, got betrayed -- and frankly (think about this), had Poe and Finn NOT hatched this scheme, Del Toro's character couldn't have betrayed the Rebellion/Resistance/Whatever....

So... in reality, Poe is the traitor, and Finn was coerced, like a dumbass, into helping him and some random "janitor" woman.. Janitors attract one another it seems.

....

This movie was garbage... Search your feelings.. You KNOW it to be true!

 

[KCOTT]

Left the movie theater disappointed. Too let down to accumulate my thoughts right now. I see others are sharing the same feelings.

 

[gourimoko]

I don't buy that Rey is a nobody with drunk parents. Consider the source.

I buy it....

I kinda figured they'd go this route as more promotional material was released and it seemed to indicate she wasn't a Skywalker. Rey even thought she might be, according to Kylo "you're not one of us" or some such... "You're nobody.... nothing."

It's a more profound way of democratizing the idea of the Force.

Think about it this way... Rey is the little boy at the end of the film who uses the force to grab the broom... The movie ends on him, because he is Rey, at least, metaphorically speaking. His parents are wholly unimportant, because you don't need to come from great parents to do great things. I think that's what Johnson is trying to change about the Star Wars mythos.

And talking about change... The entire point of the movie is that we should "let the past die," and that the Jedi aren't texts, or even people, but an idea... These ideas are more powerful than ships, or fleets...

For example, the legend of Finn is more important than the real Finn, because it inspired ...the Asian woman, I'm sorry, can't remember her character... it inspired her sister to sacrifice herself to destroy an Imperial, sorry.. First Order Dreadnought. That same legend then inspires the Asian woman to become a hero herself... and also to fall in love over the course of 8 hours (remember this whole movie takes place in one day).

So Rey being a nobody is a plot twist that forces all of us to erase the notion that Anakin or Luke, or Kylo for that matter, are somehow better than anyone else by some kind of Divine Right. They're not. Because a slave girl, who was "nobody." ..from "nowhere" is truly the greatest Jedi of them all, at least.. for the time being.

She's not the daughter of Obi-Wan, and Luke never met her. She's never been trained, and nobody knows who she is.

If you really really wanted to twist shit around, you could argue that, like Anakin, she was born from the Force itself, and perhaps some slave woman birthed her and gave her up... but... As far as I can tell, that's not where this movie is going. Not thematically, and not expositionally, again, as far as I can tell.

....

p.s.
With all that being said, I think it's a horrible direction for a mainline Star Wars film. Because, there's just no way you can turn this around in one movie in a realistic way. The First Order has won, the Empire is back, and the entire galaxy has accepted this. They achieved this end WITHOUT Starkiller base or a Death Star... the fear they've imposed on society is what Palpatine always wanted but could never fully grasp.

It's almost as though someone watched Star Wars and said .. I'm going to turn all of these ideas on their heads, wipe all of this out, and force them to start over (the entire mythos); and I'm going to do this because it'll make for a more profound movie... which, I think instead, Abrams just ends up remaking Return of the Jedi and this trilogy would truly have been meaningless.

 

[gourimoko]

Left the movie theater disappointed. Too let down to accumulate my thoughts right now. I see others are sharing the same feelings.

Ask yourself why and how all these movie critics loved the film....

The Metacritic score yesterday afternoon (around noon PST) was 5.3... Today, as of 1PM PST it's 5.1. I fully expect that to drop below 5 by the end of next week.

You're not alone in thinking this was a disappointing movie. It was...

 

[Triplethreat]

Also where the fuck are the Knight of Ren? They played a massive part into Luke disappearing and guess what? They're actually no where to be found. This is fucking retarded.

I think the worst part of the whole thing is Snoke. Essentially it's that easy to rise up and become a Sith Lord and wipe out the new republic with one swift swing. WHO THE FUCK IS THIS GUY. Also some nobody with dark force powers. Jesus Christ so bad. So so bad.

Poor writing really.

 

[gourimoko]

The Finn-Rose love story was also possibly the most cringeworthy and unbelievable pairing I've ever seen on screen. I don't know how any part of it could have possibly gotten past the editor's table. The whole "we don't kill the ones we hate... we save the ones we love." *faint RIGHT AFTER YOU SAY IT* was easily worse than Anakin's "I hate sand..." moment.

She just met him....

The movie feels like an eternity, but remember.. They have 6 hours of fuel left right after they leave. They arrive on the base and IMMEDIATELY mount a defense. The entire movie takes place in less than one day (btw, this is a plot hole because Rey/Luke experience more time than everyone else -- Rey gets about 2-3 days, but the fleet get nowhere near that amount of time)

There was not a single indication that either of them had any emotional connection to one another whatsoever. And in fact, on Snoke's ship, she even makes a comment in disgust about Finn knowing about escape pods. Her very next comment to him that wasn't purely expositional was "I love you (faint)."

Why did this happen?

Because Johnson (1) wanted to create confusion going into the next film about Finn and Rey's relationship; (2) so Rey could see Finn and Rose together and think -- okay, well, fuck that then.. it's been 3 days (her time, 1 day their time) and he's already jumping on some other girl... WTF?

And for all the positive talk about Tran's character... and she didn't do bad... but.. she made Finn seem worse. Like, he becomes a hero, but didn't he ALREADY become a hero in TFA? He fought Kylo fucking Ren... He helped destroy Starkiller base... Oh wait.. (push reboot button) .. tee-hee.. let's do that again, shall we?

 

[Triplethreat]

Also, what the fuck is up with Rey being ANGRY as fuck towards Luke the whole time?

Isn't anger and FEAR the path to the dark side? So when Luke FEARS Kylo arena future isn't he opening up himself to the dark side of the force? He almost just became a Sith Lord in the movie....

And then when training Rey ever mentions how she must control her emotions/anger. Almost like the very principles of Jedi no longer mattered at all.

 

[gourimoko]

Also where the fuck are the Knight of Ren? They played a massive part into Luke disappearing and guess what? They're actually no where to be found. This is fucking retarded.

I think the worst part of the whole thing is Snoke. Essentially it's that easy to rise up and become a Sith Lord and wipe out the new republic with one swift swing. WHO THE FUCK IS THIS GUY. Also some nobody with dark force powers. Jesus Christ so bad. So so bad.

Poor writing really.

This...

"He took a handful of my students and split."

Okay... so ... where'd they go?! I was thinking they'd show up with lightsabers and shit.. but .. nope. And why would Snoke murder them if Snoke isn't a Sith and they're not following the Rule of Two?

...Snoke... what a fucking joke. He'll exist as a plot device, an Emperor Palpatine replacement..

And how did he turn Kylo? How did ANYONE know this in TFA or The Last Jedi? How?!? How did that happen at all?! It seems he never met Ben Skywalker...

We KNOW JJ Abrams will NOT explain these things, because that fundamentally goes against his filmmaking style (that's never changed). So.. forget about Snoke.. that shit is over.

 

[gourimoko]

No, trust me, he is.

TPM was on TV last night and I stopped to watch. Holy fuck, Jar Jar and the Gungans were just...like one of the worst things ever. But I get it, they wanted to cater to little kids.

You know.. I always cringed (and still do) at Jar Jar and the Gungans.. thought it was monumentally stupid. Until I showed my kids The Phantom Menace for the first time in forever.. before, they were probably too young to remember, definitely my youngest.

They loved Jar Jar and the Gungans.. especially my youngest son.

So.. I get what Lucas was thinking.. But he forgot that his primary audience weren't kids anymore, they were 25-50 year old males who won't dig the stupid slapstick bullshit.