The Rise of Skywalker spoilers thread

[NtG]

Yeah, I don't even care. It's the best movie I have ever seen. I can't even believe how good it was. I didn't even like the first two a ton. Like I thought they were solid. This was perfect to me.

I also kept myself from the spoilers. Don't know why people want to know everything. I'll suppose I will wait until the weekend and more people have seen it before I post full thoughts.

I'm the same. I actually strongly disliked the first two movies of this trilogy and did not have high hopes going in; especially after reading some headlines about it being "the worst Star Wars movie ever". I intentionally averted my eyes whenever I would see an advertisement just because I wanted to go in without any kind of expectations.

I think there were definitely some things that were questionable (I can't remember all of them because they were mostly small), but nothing egregious like people in the Star Wars subreddit are up in arms about. Since this is the spoilers thread, I'm just going to write about some things that people are complaining about and explain how I understood it:

Force Healing - I was always under the impression that this was a light side ability. People are complaining that Rey's force healing ability somehow discredits Anakin's entire story. From what I understand, Anakin was focused on a more general ability to just straight up prevent death. That seems like it would take a lot more power than just healing.

Palpatine - Palpatine died in episode 6, but is back in episode 9. Again, people are complaining that this discredits Anakin's entire story saying it makes the Anakin prophecy untrue because if Palpatine never died then Anakin never brought balance to the force. The way I understood it is that Palpatine DID die, but was resurrected on Exegol (however you spell it) and in a weaker state. How can people complain that the guy who has the ability to prevent others from dying (Palpatine/Darth Sidious) was resurrected when the light side has force ghost Jedis just wandering around the galaxy?

Another thing was him basically zapping himself to death. However, what was he supposed to do? If he stopped using lightning then Rey would have just chopped his ass. He might as well keep trying to overpower her.

Han - Kylo is clearly hallucinating this, as the dialog is similar to when he kills Han and tries to turn dark. Only this time he turns light.

One of the few things that didn't make sense to me was the air battle towards the end. Like, all of those star destroyers could have just fired at once towards the rebel ships and they all would have died.

Also, Rey's heritage was simultaneously a little lame and cool. I agree that it does retcon the previous 2 movies a bit.

I'm sure I'll think of other things to write about, but that's just a few off the top of my head.

 

[Walter White]

I'm the same. I actually strongly disliked the first two movies of this trilogy and did not have high hopes going in; especially after reading some headlines about it being "the worst Star Wars movie ever". I intentionally averted my eyes whenever I would see an advertisement just because I wanted to go in without any kind of expectations.

I think there were definitely some things that were questionable (I can't remember all of them because they were mostly small), but nothing egregious like people in the Star Wars subreddit are up in arms about. Since this is the spoilers thread, I'm just going to write about some things that people are complaining about and explain how I understood it:

Force Healing - I was always under the impression that this was a light side ability. People are complaining that Rey's force healing ability somehow discredit's Anakin's entire story. From what I understand, Anakin was focused on a more general ability to just straight up prevent death. That seems like it would take a lot more power than just healing.

Palpatine - Palpatine died in episode 6, but is back in episode 9. Again, people are complaining that this discredits Anakin's entire story saying it makes the Anakin prophecy untrue because if Palpatine never died then Anakin never brought balance to the force. The way I understood it is that Palpatine DID die, but was resurrected on Exegol (however you spell it) and in a weaker state. How can people complain that the guy who has the ability to prevent others from dying (Palpatine/Darth Sidious) was resurrected when the light side has force ghost Jedis just wandering around the galaxy?

Another thing was him basically zapping himself to death. However, what was he supposed to do? If he stopped using lightning then Rey would have just chopped his ass. He might as well keep trying to overpower her.

Han - Kylo is clearly hallucinating this, as the dialog is similar to when he kills Han and tries to turn dark. Only this time he turns light.

One of the few things that didn't make sense to me was the air battle towards the end. Like, all of those star destroyers could have just fired at once towards the rebel ships and they all would have died.

Also, Rey's heritage was simultaneously a little lame and cool. I agree that it does retcon the previous 2 movies a bit.

I'm sure I'll think of other things to write about, but that's just a few off the top of my head.

So much happened that it will be hard to gather my thoughts. I plan on seeing it a second time. Just generally speaking, it touched me emotionally a lot. The feelings I got overpower me critiquing every little thing, although discussing it is fun. The first one did give me some feelings based mostly on nostalgia. This one was totally different, it was because it was a good movie. And it resonated ideas I highly believe in which I can go in depth more later.

No movie is going to be perfect with every little detail. I think people focusing on some of that is a mistake that takes away from the pure enjoyment of the experience. There can always be logic to support or deny whatever detail. But I feel like it was perfect as far as the overarching story and how it brought everything to a close.

 

[Triplethreat]

The amount of plot holes in this movie is just laughable.

I hated it outside of some nice fan service scenes that I thought were cool and enjoyed. The plot line was atrocious.

 

[Triplethreat]

I'm the same. I actually strongly disliked the first two movies of this trilogy and did not have high hopes going in; especially after reading some headlines about it being "the worst Star Wars movie ever". I intentionally averted my eyes whenever I would see an advertisement just because I wanted to go in without any kind of expectations.

I think there were definitely some things that were questionable (I can't remember all of them because they were mostly small), but nothing egregious like people in the Star Wars subreddit are up in arms about. Since this is the spoilers thread, I'm just going to write about some things that people are complaining about and explain how I understood it:

Force Healing - I was always under the impression that this was a light side ability. People are complaining that Rey's force healing ability somehow discredits Anakin's entire story. From what I understand, Anakin was focused on a more general ability to just straight up prevent death. That seems like it would take a lot more power than just healing.

Palpatine - Palpatine died in episode 6, but is back in episode 9. Again, people are complaining that this discredits Anakin's entire story saying it makes the Anakin prophecy untrue because if Palpatine never died then Anakin never brought balance to the force. The way I understood it is that Palpatine DID die, but was resurrected on Exegol (however you spell it) and in a weaker state. How can people complain that the guy who has the ability to prevent others from dying (Palpatine/Darth Sidious) was resurrected when the light side has force ghost Jedis just wandering around the galaxy?

Another thing was him basically zapping himself to death. However, what was he supposed to do? If he stopped using lightning then Rey would have just chopped his ass. He might as well keep trying to overpower her.

Han - Kylo is clearly hallucinating this, as the dialog is similar to when he kills Han and tries to turn dark. Only this time he turns light.

One of the few things that didn't make sense to me was the air battle towards the end. Like, all of those star destroyers could have just fired at once towards the rebel ships and they all would have died.

Also, Rey's heritage was simultaneously a little lame and cool. I agree that it does retcon the previous 2 movies a bit.

I'm sure I'll think of other things to write about, but that's just a few off the top of my head.

First and foremost, how the fuck was the lightsaber back after being shattered in half at the end of episode 8? Just complete ignorance on the part of JJ there.

Palpatine returning DOES kill everything that happened in the OT and render it worthless. Rey’s heritage didn’t bother me at all though. how the fuck did the guy get the technology to instill A STAR DESTROYING WEAPON on Star destroyers, and where did he gather all of this following from? Its just an asinine idea going from building two Death Stars to now having the ability to manufacture hundreds upon hundreds of ships that can destroy a planet on their own. That was so lame.

What’s to stop him from just resurrecting again? It simple doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.

Same with Fin somehow being able to feel the force like a Jedi.

Just far too many wtf moments for me in this one. Wasn’t a fan.

 

[Adam]

First and foremost, how the fuck was the lightsaber back after being shattered in half at the end of episode 8? Just complete ignorance on the part of JJ there.

Palpatine returning DOES kill everything that happened in the OT and render it worthless. Rey’s heritage didn’t bother me at all though. how the fuck did the guy get the technology to instill A STAR DESTROYING WEAPON on Star destroyers, and where did he gather all of this following from? Its just an asinine idea going from building two Death Stars to now having the ability to manufacture hundreds upon hundreds of ships that can destroy a planet on their own. That was so lame.

What’s to stop him from just resurrecting again? It simple doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.

Same with Fin somehow being able to feel the force like a Jedi.

Just far too many wtf moments for me in this one. Wasn’t a fan.

This is also my opinion. They made fin force sensitive because they fucked up force awakens when he used the saber. It would be fine if they made all the storm troopers who deserted force sensitive and then that would explain why they could ignore their training.
Basically JJ knows fuck all about star wars. Rian Johnson knew more but had a vision of super leia and hyperspace ramming which fucked his story up. The whole thing was a mess

 

[Walter White]

This may be a dumb question, but where did Rey get the white lightsaber at the end? I loved that part though because I was hoping for that before I even watched. From what I know, it represents the middle, or balance. Does the type of force connection change the crystal color?

 

[BMAN]

This may be a dumb question, but where did Rey get the white lightsaber at the end? I loved that part though because I was hoping for that before I even watched. From what I know, it represents the middle, or balance. Does the type of force connection change the crystal color?

No it’s the color of the crystal they use.

 

[NtG]

First and foremost, how the fuck was the lightsaber back after being shattered in half at the end of episode 8? Just complete ignorance on the part of JJ there.

Palpatine returning DOES kill everything that happened in the OT and render it worthless. Rey’s heritage didn’t bother me at all though. how the fuck did the guy get the technology to instill A STAR DESTROYING WEAPON on Star destroyers, and where did he gather all of this following from? Its just an asinine idea going from building two Death Stars to now having the ability to manufacture hundreds upon hundreds of ships that can destroy a planet on their own. That was so lame.

What’s to stop him from just resurrecting again? It simple doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.

Same with Fin somehow being able to feel the force like a Jedi.

Just far too many wtf moments for me in this one. Wasn’t a fan.

I'll admit, the Star Destroyers being able to actually destroy planets was definitely a big WTF moment for me. As well as the random enormous fleet that they had just sitting there waiting.

I'm okay with Fin being force sensitive. I always assumed he was, at least a little bit.

This may be a dumb question, but where did Rey get the white lightsaber at the end? I loved that part though because I was hoping for that before I even watched. From what I know, it represents the middle, or balance. Does the type of force connection change the crystal color?

That lightsaber was yellow, I thought. I'm assuming she built it.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I also kept myself from the spoilers. Don't know why people want to know everything.

Pure curiosity.

I saw the original Star Wars, very first showing (noon back then) on the very first day it was out. So being a fan goes back a long way for me. I have zero plans on seeing Rise of Skywalker in the theater, and may not even see it for free whenever it is on Disney+. I didn't mind the prequels, even the Phantom Menace, but thought the last two movies were absolutely abysmal. So I have curiosity about how they tried to end the train wreck, but have no desire to see it.

 

[Triplethreat]

Pure curiosity.

I saw the original Star Wars, very first showing (noon back then) on the very first day it was out. So being a fan goes back a long way for me. I have zero plans on seeing Rise of Skywalker in the theater, and may not even see it for free whenever it is on Disney+. I didn't mind the prequels, even the Phantom Menace, but thought the last two movies were absolutely abysmal. So I have curiosity about how they tried to end the train wreck, but have no desire to see it.

I think it’s still worth the watch simply for the fact it’s Star Wars and you get some decent fan service out of it.

 

[Triplethreat]

I'll admit, the Star Destroyers being able to actually destroy planets was definitely a big WTF moment for me. As well as the random enormous fleet that they had just sitting there waiting.

I'm okay with Fin being force sensitive. I always assumed he was, at least a little bit.


That lightsaber was yellow, I thought. I'm assuming she built it.

She built it into her staff if you didn’t notice.

possibly double sided light saber.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I think it’s still worth the watch simply for the fact it’s Star Wars and you get some decent fan service out of it.

Worthwhile fan service is making a good movie. And three movies worth of nothing more than fan service is way too maudlin for me.

But I'm a cynical old bastard, so it may just be me.

 

[Rich]

So I read the spoilers a while back and this is what I'll say w/o seeing the movie: The lack of originality from this trilogy is astounding. Truly.

I'm a person that thinks the original trilogy is pretty overrated. The fact that this trilogy just followed the exact same formula using the exact same characters in many instances, and in this instance bringing a fucking character back to life just to do the same story again, is...wow.

I don't know if that was Abrams original idea and TLJ just made him go in this direction? Either way...not gonna pay for it.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

So I read the spoilers a while back and this is what I'll say w/o seeing the movie: The lack of originality from this trilogy is astounding. Truly.

I'm a person that thinks the original trilogy is pretty overrated. The fact that this trilogy just followed the exact same formula using the exact same characters in many instances, and in this instance bringing a fucking character back to life just to do the same story again, is...wow.

I don't know if that was Abrams original idea and TLJ just made him go in this direction? Either way...not gonna pay for it.

After having watched the first two, it seems like the thought behind this trilogy was the same as that behind the Ghostbusters remake. Retell the same basic story with different actors for...reasons.

Really, really glad the Mandalorian came along, and very much looking forward to Kenobi.

 

[Walter White]

Pure curiosity.

I saw the original Star Wars, very first showing (noon back then) on the very first day it was out. So being a fan goes back a long way for me. I have zero plans on seeing Rise of Skywalker in the theater, and may not even see it for free whenever it is on Disney+. I didn't mind the prequels, even the Phantom Menace, but thought the last two movies were absolutely abysmal. So I have curiosity about how they tried to end the train wreck, but have no desire to see it.

If you aren't going to see it, that definitely makes sense. I'm just saying for people that plan to see it, I wouldn't want anything to be revealed as to not judge it without even seeing it. Because the execution within the movie might be better than you think.

For example, I can actually understand how it sounds bad if you just know the main plot points without actually seeing it. But the way it was executed made me feel a lot of emotion. I still stand on that it was a great movie. I actually have the desire to see it again. Which for me, that never happens. I'll see a movie once and I'm good. But a lot of the moments of raw power they displayed were really cool. The connection between Rey and Kylo is also one of the cooler things I've seen in all of Star Wars.

I think one of the problems people have is that it isn't as original as it could be. I can understand that. But a lot of the core elements of Star Wars are just fun to see that I wouldn't take for granted. I love hearing the music. I love seeing the new creatures and planets. They did a great job of putting in cool things I've never seen before in this movie.