The Rise of Skywalker spoilers thread

[Amherstcavsfan]

As a movie, yeah it was a hot mess.

But as a fanboy since I was like 9...very content with how it ended.

It is a fucking disaster of a movie. But I was really fine with it, myself. Was expecting much worse.

Also...this seems to set up the old republic with what I think is the Star Forge basically being canon.

 

[UncleDrew]

I fucking loved The Rise of Skywalker!! So many plot twists. Just stinks that Rey gets a yellow lightsaber at the end and that Ben dies.

 

[Urban]

It spiraled out of control with non-stop eye rolls, fan service, and convenient moments at about the midway point of the movie when Hux revealed himself as the traitor

I liked it a hell of a lot more than TLJ, which isn't saying much at all, but the movie was overstuffed with fan service in an outrageously rushed plot.

 

[Walter White]

Yeah. They should have set up the revealing of Palpatine better than in the opening crawl/trailers. But after what they did to Snoke, I almost wonder if they had no other choice. I wonder if that was the original plan.

It's kind of weird, but Rey's bloodline being Palpatine works pretty well. I think it's better than being Luke's child or related to nobody unless they changed a lot of the story around that.

I think the worst kind of ending would be Rey just winning as the Jedi. The way she was her own person, along with Kylo, and they met in the middle and "buried" the old orders. I really liked that. And Kylo's character arc actually finished very well done imo. I was surprised at least. I thought he might turn in TFA, but the way he killed Han and went psycho at the end of TLJ I didn't think he would. Good acting too.

I'm glad I avoided spoilers. I think it added to the experience much more. I can see how you would roll your eyes just hearing about it. That said, I think maybe the best choice would have been if Rey was birthed by the force or something and they were able to drive that plot line to the core where that kid pretending to be a Jedi, or Finn getting the force, makes more sense. Like, the force actually "awakening" could be a plot where all these people are chosen to get the force regardless of bloodline.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

I will say this is a movie of two half. The first hour or so is just garbage and a trainwreck. No time to let the story breathe, no allowing for character development, nothing. It's the worst film in the series in the first hour.

The rest of the movie...it might be topped by only Empire for me. The final battles are great, the characters develop do much and the movie, despite being mostly action, takes it's time with some things that the others of the sequels do not do at all.

I feel like if they allowed Abrams to storyboard and tell the whole story, this might have been a good trilogy of movies. TLJ is clearly more of a side quest movie than a movie where the story is being moved in any meaningful manner.

I'd like to see it again seeing as I know how it all fits together, but I think I actually liked this movie.

 

[-Akronite-]

Yeah. They should have set up the revealing of Palpatine better than in the opening crawl/trailers. But after what they did to Snoke, I almost wonder if they had no other choice. I wonder if that was the original plan.

It's kind of weird, but Rey's bloodline being Palpatine works pretty well. I think it's better than being Luke's child or related to nobody unless they changed a lot of the story around that.

We didn’t need an explanation of Snoke, to be honest. All we knew was that he was an evil guy pulling strings. Kylo offs him to set a new path for himself and the First Order. Don’t need another bad guy.

I thought from beginning to end the retcon of making Rey part of some bloodline added nothing and took away from the more interesting story of her being a nobody (not to mention explicitly contradicting the previous movie’s reveal). The Palpatine stuff could’ve been handled worse but it was easily the dumbest plot decision in the whole movie.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

It spiraled out of control with non-stop eye rolls, fan service, and convenient moments at about the midway point of the movie when Hux revealed himself as the traitor

I liked it a hell of a lot more than TLJ, which isn't saying much at all, but the movie was overstuffed with fan service in an outrageously rushed plot.

My son has decided he wants to see this movie, and its Christmas so we're going.

Ugh.

 

[Ohio]

My son has decided he wants to see this movie, and its Christmas so we're going.

Ugh.

I got out-voted. Going Christmas eve.

 

[bigfoot5415]

As a movie, yeah it was a hot mess.

But as a fanboy since I was like 9...very content with how it ended.

I think a lot of that mess was because JJ was trying to hard to fit in plot points ignored by TLJ. I enjoyed the TLJ, but after watching ROS and connecting dots from 7 to 9; I have grown to hate TLJ. If they kept the story and direction consistent this could have been very well done.

- Love Rey & Kylo dynamic was so well done
- Bens Redemption was sweet
- Palpatine coming back works for me
- The final 30 min were fantastic
- The side quest to debug C3PO and the Sith Dagger probably were intended for the TLJ somehow
- The voices were cool, but Force Ghosts ala Harry Potter would have been sweet
- The light saber battles were great
- The whole scene on the broken down death star was amazing and very well shot
- The fleet of palpatine's ships was terrifying and extremely effective
- Hux as the spy was kind of lame once they killed him, but ive been calling it since Force Awakens that either him or Phasma were spies.

All in all, I am happy with this trilogy, and as I say every release. Star Wars is a flawed franchise, just enjoy it. Dont over think it.

Now that it is over, here are the things that bother me about this trilogy:
- Laura Dern
- Casino Planet
- Phasma being 100% useless
- Leia should have died in TLJ
- Needed more Luke, even if it was force ghost
- Needed more action with the 3 stars together
- Lots of wasted side story filler
- Needed more reference to Leia being a Jedi, not just force sensitive

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Now that it is over, here are the things that bother me about this trilogy:
- Laura Dern
- Casino Planet
- Phasma being 100% useless
- Leia should have died in TLJ before doing her Flying Nun in Space routine
- Needed more Luke, even if it was force ghost
- Needed more action with the 3 stars together
- Lots of wasted side story filler
- Needed more reference to Leia being a Jedi, not just force sensitive

Fixed.

 

[col63onel]

I think a lot of that mess was because JJ was trying to hard to fit in plot points ignored by TLJ. I enjoyed the TLJ, but after watching ROS and connecting dots from 7 to 9; I have grown to hate TLJ. If they kept the story and direction consistent this could have been very well done.

- Love Rey & Kylo dynamic was so well done
- Bens Redemption was sweet
- Palpatine coming back works for me
- The final 30 min were fantastic
- The side quest to debug C3PO and the Sith Dagger probably were intended for the TLJ somehow
- The voices were cool, but Force Ghosts ala Harry Potter would have been sweet
- The light saber battles were great
- The whole scene on the broken down death star was amazing and very well shot
- The fleet of palpatine's ships was terrifying and extremely effective
- Hux as the spy was kind of lame once they killed him, but ive been calling it since Force Awakens that either him or Phasma were spies.

All in all, I am happy with this trilogy, and as I say every release. Star Wars is a flawed franchise, just enjoy it. Dont over think it.

Now that it is over, here are the things that bother me about this trilogy:
- Laura Dern
- Casino Planet
- Phasma being 100% useless
- Leia should have died in TLJ
- Needed more Luke, even if it was force ghost
- Needed more action with the 3 stars together
- Lots of wasted side story filler
- Needed more reference to Leia being a Jedi, not just force sensitive

Yup. Turning TROS into episodes 8 and 9 makes the trilogy passable.

 

[Pioneer10]

This movie was a fucking hot mess: WTF happened to the editing.

Too many moving plotline: it's like they finally decided this is what they wanted from the trilogy and put this into one movie.

On top of that too many gratuitous characters added on such as Poe's and Finn's love interests.

I know George Lucas ignored physics but come on landing a troop carrier to ride horses on a imperial star destroyer probably at a higher altitude then Everest

Plus what a waste of time bringing back guys like Lando: think of a counterfactual instead of the stupid intros to new character 5 minutes with lando cashing all the chips he collected thru the years being a scoundrel to bring in the rescue fleet.

How the fuck was Han a force ghost

My god ROTJ was such a clean movie that built it up the penultimate scene in all the trilogy where Luke actually chooses not to use Force in the name of violence to truly become great. Ben's redemption story had the potential for this but it's so convoluted because they need to figure out something great for Rey to do as well plus all these side characters. Poe and Finn have the most wooden dialogues and have no character development what so ever.

 

[-Akronite-]

This movie was a fucking hot mess: WTF happened to the editing.

Too many moving plotline: it's like they finally decided this is what they wanted from the trilogy and put this into one movie.

On top of that too many gratuitous characters added on such as Poe's and Finn's love interests.

I know George Lucas ignored physics but come on landing a troop carrier to ride horses on a imperial star destroyer probably at a higher altitude then Everest

Plus what a waste of time bringing back guys like Lando: think of a counterfactual instead of the stupid intros to new character 5 minutes with lando cashing all the chips he collected thru the years being a scoundrel to bring in the rescue fleet.

How the fuck was Han a force ghost

My god ROTJ was such a clean movie that built it up the penultimate scene in all the trilogy where Luke actually chooses not to use Force in the name of violence to truly become great. Ben's redemption story had the potential for this but it's so convoluted because they need to figure out something great for Rey to do as well plus all these side characters. Poe and Finn have the most wooden dialogues and have no character development what so ever.

The only answer I can provide here is the dialogue stated that Han was not a Force Ghost but rather a memory. Ben was seeing him in his head essentially. Most of the dialogue in that scene mirrored the bridge in TFA when he killed Han, the thing he thought made him go irredeemably Dark Sided. It was one of the moments I enjoyed the most in the movie, especially since Harrison Ford has tried to be an actor each time he’s returned as Han Solo.

 

[Hurl Bruce]

I sat in one of those moving chairs for it, so that was cool.

I enjoyed it enough going in spoiler free.

Nobody's talked about Lando making his move to fuck a girl 40 years younger than he is?

 

[Pioneer10]

Just watch this last scene in Rogue One:

Multiple story arches coming to an end but the pacing, score, tone is setup so you can feel the gravitas of the setting. For all of JJ Abrams doing Star Destroyer, Final order super fleet with super guns, the single shot of the giant death star conveys so much more of the terror of the thing then throwing so much crap on the screen that you're struggling to figure out what the hell is going on. In the final scene of ROS, your thinking how did Lando get all those ships, why is their only one navigation system at a time, why are there horses on a star destroyer at high altitude, guessing which one will die and rebirth and then die and rebirth again.

Like Rogue One they need a guy like Tony Gilroy to come in and save the script but you can't overide JJ Abrams.

Or they could have just actually liked Star Wars and respected what made the movies well loved. Similar to RO see how in ROTJ there is a focus and clarity to the EP and Luke scenes without the utter chaos of the ROS