Trading Collin Sexton or Darius Garland

[Cavatt]

I actually strongly agree with the bolded, but I think it proves my point more. If we were in the playoffs, teams would let Collin go for 40 and try and take garland out of the game because we would have 0 ball movement and play to their advantage. I also disagree with the idea of “going and getting it”. Thats not always just scoring, and can be a multitude of things from running a PnR to iso, both of which garland is better at in terms of getting the defense out of position and making a play.

It’s just my opinion but I think teams would be neutralizing sextons impact by letting him go for 40 and hunkering down on everyone else. That’s actually hurting the cavs more in a playoff game than it would help. Taking garland out of the game would be more advantageous to the opposing team then letting Collin go for 40 in a clunky offense.

I again want to make clear, I don’t think they need to trade Collin or Darius now, but by august I imagine we will know which way they are leaning in relation to the future based on roster construction and potential sexton extension/draft pick choice.

Sure, but also they can't focus in on Garland and take him out when Sexton is by his side.

A lot of the guys on the team simply can't score though. Run the pick and roll all you want. Long stretches of every one of those games without Sexton where guys can't score on the other team. There were scoring droughts almost every game and often they were "playing the right way".

Sexton is really good playing the drive and kick. Had a lot of good games kicking to Wade and Kevin and even a couple with Windler and Cedi.
Garland can't do that yet.

I don't think either guy is at his peak, and trading either one without a clear upgrade or even lateral move in talent seems insane to me. Take green and then maybe we talk about trading Sexton. Doing it without someone to shoulder that load and you have made a major mistake.

 

[daddywags]

If we were in a playoff series, with or without Sexton, we would struggle to average 90 ppg.

 

[Ozone]

I actually strongly agree with the bolded, but I think it proves my point more. If we were in the playoffs, teams would let Collin go for 40 and try and take garland out of the game because we would have 0 ball movement and play to their advantage. I also disagree with the idea of “going and getting it”. Thats not always just scoring, and can be a multitude of things from running a PnR to iso, both of which garland is better at in terms of getting the defense out of position and making a play.

It’s just my opinion but I think teams would be neutralizing sextons impact by letting him go for 40 and hunkering down on everyone else. That’s actually hurting the cavs more in a playoff game than it would help. Taking garland out of the game would be more advantageous to the opposing team then letting Collin go for 40 in a clunky offense.

I again want to make clear, I don’t think they need to trade Collin or Darius now, but by august I imagine we will know which way they are leaning in relation to the future based on roster construction and potential sexton extension/draft pick choice.

They need a better scorer at the 1 and all these concerns of yours about letting Sexton go for 40 are empty air.
hell just adding a elite scorer at the 3 or 4 and rolling back the back court although they will struggle to defend could be opened up enough for Garland to hit those wide open threes he loves and Sexton going for 20 with a first option 3 or 4 going for 30 will let Garland play feed the birds and drop 15 dimes a game. but good luck finding an elite scorer at the 3 or 4 in this draft cade is a high level shooter but not a high level scorer. Others like Kuminga could become high level scorers but are probably never elite shooters etc. This team is more than 1 lottery pick away from contending for a seed higher than a first round exit.

 

[Cavatt]

New York reportedly likes Sexton. It would make sense to get him next to Barrett and Randle.

If you got Green or Suggs, would you trade Sexton for Quickly and Bullock?

 

["MVP"]

New York reportedly likes Sexton. It would make sense to get him next to Barrett and Randle.

If you got Green or Suggs, would you trade Sexton for Quickly and Bullock?

Hell no.

 

[RchfldCavRaised]

New York reportedly likes Sexton. It would make sense to get him next to Barrett and Randle.

If you got Green or Suggs, would you trade Sexton for Quickly and Bullock?

New York has their own first (19), Dallas first (21) and Philly's second (58) and Detroit's (32) second in this years draft.

The only thing they have that I would even be interested in right now is those 4 picks

 

[foucault87]

New York has their own first (19), Dallas first (21) and Philly's second (58) and Detroit's (32) second in this years draft.

The only thing they have that I would even be interested in right now is those 4 picks

Sexton for 19/21 would match the going rate for young guys near the end of their rookie deal who aren't surefire super stars.

 

[Ozone]

Sexton for 19/21 would match the going rate for young guys near the end of their rookie deal who aren't surefire super stars.

If they were to do that Bickerstaff would run faster than Garland and jump on the back of Altman who would be wearing the backpack that looks like the real parachute before they both fall out of the rocket to hell simulator onto a wrestling mat and little Kev kicks both their asses and tweaks a finger before departing on the buyout bus LOL

 

[RchfldCavRaised]

Sexton for 19/21 would match the going rate for young guys near the end of their rookie deal who aren't surefire super stars.

I would say that's not enough, honestly.

19/21/32 (really valuable, think it's #2 in 2nd rd) to start lemme look at their roster...

Toppin (5.8 in 22)
Knox (5.1 in 22)
#19
#21
#32

Would be a conversation I would consider having. I'm probably going to need to unload Osman and his 3 yrs 22 mil as well

 

[RchfldCavRaised]

Sexton playing off the playmaking of Barrett and Randle would unlock him. Watching D Rose be the most valuable player for them over the first 2 games of this series and essentially getting his scoring production locked up in a 22 yr old would answer alot of problems that they have in their half court/perimeter scoring.

Thibs has no interest in more draft picks, as he barely had interest in Toppin this year anyway.

NY would probably pay him this summer

 

[Cavatt]

Sexton playing off the playmaking of Barrett and Randle would unlock him. Watching D Rose be the most valuable player for them over the first 2 games of this series and essentially getting his scoring production locked up in a 22 yr old would answer alot of problems that they have in their half court/perimeter scoring.

Thibs has no interest in more draft picks, as he barely had interest in Toppin this year anyway.

NY would probably pay him this summer

Yeah that's what I am thinking, but those picks aren't very good. Why do you want a bunch of late picks? Which of those will nab you a better player than Sexton?

With Quickly you have a 6th man and Bullock gives you a 3 and D with size. Are they for trades? It's sort of low odds you get a better player than Quickly with those.

 

[RchfldCavRaised]

Yeah that's what I am thinking, but those picks aren't very good. Why do you want a bunch of late picks? Which of those will nab you a better player than Sexton?

With Quickly you have a 6th man and Bullock gives you a 3 and D with size. Are they for trades? It's sort of low odds you get a better player than Quickly with those.

Having a top 7 pick and those three give you some flexibility to potentially move around and address other holes OR potentially sweeten the pot for a Love Deal (I feel like a pretender like Portland if eliminated early this year, simply cant just run it back... send them that damn Boston game tape and offer #19)

Something like this...



If I told you we could keep our lottery pick, get a mid 1st, early 2nd, use the other mid 1st to sweeten the unload for Kevin Love, pickup Toppin, RoCo & Derrick Jones Jr for the veteran wing all while avoiding maxing out Sexton, I'd take that

 

[RchfldCavRaised]

It's sort of low odds you get a better player than Quickly with those.

There are Quickly's and Maxey's in this draft and in every draft, honestly

Bouknight, McBride, Jared Butler, Tre Mann might all be there at 19/21

This draft is deep in 3rd tier prospects like Quickly and Maxey, especially guards. I like Greg Brown and Kai Jones from Texas. Theres a possibility both guys are there at that pick.

 

[BankShot]

I would say that's not enough, honestly.

19/21/32 (really valuable, think it's #2 in 2nd rd) to start lemme look at their roster...

Toppin (5.8 in 22)
Knox (5.1 in 22)
#19
#21
#32

Would be a conversation I would consider having. I'm probably going to need to unload Osman and his 3 yrs 22 mil as well

Sexton would be an MSG cult hero, but Thibs might kill him after blown assignments.

Toppin and those picks is a decent return, Knox makes my eyes hurt, and they will have the cap space take on Cedi....interesting.

We probably can't get equal talent return for Sexton, so a mixture of assets is worth thinking about.

 

[RchfldCavRaised]

Sexton would be an MSG cult hero, but Thibs might kill him after blown assignments.

Toppin and those picks is a decent return, Knox makes my eyes hurt, and they will have the cap space take on Cedi....interesting.

We probably can't get equal talent return for Sexton, so a mixture of assets is worth thinking about.

Same thing I was thinking

If you cant get equal talent back BUT could do this

If I told you we could keep our lottery pick, get a mid 1st, early 2nd, use the other mid 1st to sweeten the unload for Kevin Love, pickup Toppin, RoCo & Derrick Jones Jr for the veteran wing all while avoiding maxing out Sexton, I'd take that