The Disector said:
Pay attention A Mac--these are facts which = the truth and since you don't seem to have a very long memory I'll refresh it for you:
Z is not getting any better.
Z is getting older.
Z is always a threat to have a career ending injury.
Z is slowfooted and foul prone.
Z had 13 games this season where he scored 10 or less points(more then 1/7 of the season).
Z had 53 games where he got less then 10 boards.
Zydrunas did not make the playoffs.
Jerome James did make the playoffs.
Jerome James has been the difference in the Seattle series thus far.
You don't need a dominant offensive center to be a playoff team or contender.
You have had Z 7 years and the Cavs have been a lottery team for almost all of them.
Coach Silas benched Z because of his atrocious pick and roll defense on many occasions.
Lebron is one of the leauge leaders in steals.
You need defense to win championships.
Brad Miller is a top 10 center in the NBA.
Obvious to non Cavs fans.
He's a poor pick n roll defender.
He is a jump shot 1st offensive big man.
He is NOT a dominate post threat most of the time.
You can find most if not all of these facts in this thread.
Funny thing is you said I have yet to lay down a single fact and you're yet to pull your head out of your butt!
Don't take it personal but how would you feel if you could put a list like that together full of facts and someone still sits there and says you have yet to state even 1.
Finally I think you said something about someone getting owned earlier in this thread--I think that may apply here.
You made this way to easy for me..
Z will get better. You put a real shooter in the lineup, then they can't have the extra guard double down on Z. That allows him to open the middle even more to get to the rack, opens passing lanes for cutters and kick outs. Thus, his shooting %, assists, and our over all offense will go up with the addition of a real shooter in the lineup, making Z better. A classic example of this is Malone and Stockton, with Jeff Hornacek. You couldnt double down on Malone with a guard because Jeff was probably the best shooter in the 90s. Z is a pretty good passer for a C, Lebron moves well without the ball when it comes to cutting and with a spot up shooter, it's over.
Z is getting older, and? We are at the point to contend NOW. We arent building for the future anymore, this isnt a rebuild here. Z is able to contribute and perform at this level for atleast four years, maybe five. That is more than enough....your wonder boy James is the same age as Z. So where are u going with this? Stupid point to bring up..
Every player is a threat to ahve a career ending injury. Those are freak accidents, look at Grant Hill. It happens, there is nothing you can do to prevent that. Why would even bring that up?
Z is slow footed, yes, but that has nothing to do with anything. There arent many offensive centers that are quick enough to score around Z that his slow footedness would matter with a real defensive team. You put someone out there that knows how to defend a pick and roll, he wouldnt be in foul trouble.
Him being slow footed has never hurt the team, the PG was the one scoring the points off the pick and roll, not the center. Have you even read why other people post? You are so covered in your own crap, u dont know how to get out of it..
Man to man, Z is a much better defender than James. He is a better shot blocker and he is longer. It's harder to score around Z than it is James.
James avg 4 PPG and you are complaining about Z getting under 10 PPG for 13 games?? Z didnt score over 10 in those games because the defense of the PG, not himself. If we had a defensive backcourt, we wouldnt have those games. So again, bad point.
Who cares how many RPG Z gets. Do you not realize the Cavaliers were 2nd in the NBA last year in rebounding, the year before that they were #1 and this past season they were #5. WE DONT NEED Z TO GRAB 15 RPG. Z gets 8 RPG and allows the person who is next to him to get close to 10 RPG. It happened with Tyronne Hill, Boozer and Gooden. It's a FACT, you can put just about any PF next to Z, and he can get 10 boards per. Add to it, Lebron also grabs 7 RPG.
Z didnt make the playoffs because outside of Lebron, there is NOBODY on this team. Gooden, AJ and Snow are good, but we still need a legit player on the squad. Look at Seattle, they have a nice roster. When was the last time James was an all-star? O, that's right..never. When's the last time James had a good season? O, that's right...never. What's pathetic is, you compare the stats to James, who's been in the L for five years, to Anderson who has played American basketball FOR ONE YEAR, AND ANDERSON HAS BETTER STATS!!! Hes ten years younger, cant even speak english, and does better than that bum James. Get you outta here, you have no clue what you are talking about..just shut up already..
He has been a difference in TWO GAMES. THE ONLY TWO GAMES in his career that has meant anything. In the 6 games in the playoffs he played before those two games, he had 13 POINTS, 13! He has two good games, because of the outside shooting threats of the good players on the team, he gets lucky. Where was he the first five years of his career if he was so good?
Z however, has never had the talent around him to make the playoffs. The Sonics didnt change owners and coaches in mid-season, so this year cant be held against Z. The one year he did make it in, he happened to be a ROOKIE.He put up 17 PPG 8 RPG shooting 56%....so you look stupid again.
So, to people who KNOW BASKETBALL.
Silas actually never benched him for his poor pick and roll D. He benched him LAST YEAR, because of his effort on defense. So, please get your "facts" straight, lmao..
He isnt poor in pick and roll. It wasnt his man getting burned. It was the PG, please watch basketball to get your facts straight.
He actually isnt a jump shot first post player, he perfers to post up to make a move to get to the line. But since he is doubled team, he has to play with the basket in front of him so he can see what is coming at him, it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure that one out, but seeing how smart you are in these posts, it doesnt surprise me at all that you wouldnt understand that.
Even more comical is that you say that, despite the fact that Z is top ten in the NBA in free throws per 48 min. Kinda hard to get to the line that much if he was a "jump shot first C", lmao..
Is he a dominate offensive C? No. Only Shaq is in the L these days, but Z is the top three scoring C in the NBA. No doubt about that. Z is one of three centers who garner a double team every single time he touches the rock. James, Dalembert get the rock and other teams laugh at them, they want them to shoot. Teams dont want Z to shoot, because once he gets on, it's over.
LMAO if you think you owner me, LOL!!!! NOT EVEN CLOSE!
You made yourself look pretty bad with those posts, I know my basketball. Im not Karma, Im not going to be nice about it. Im not gonna sit down and discuss it with you. No, im gonna say what I say and make you look stupid in the process, that's how I am. I get paid to own people like you..and thats what I just did.
But, if you would like to come to your senses, I have no problems sitting down and talking it out with you. But you keep being ignornat in every single post you make and it irratates me when people that dont know what they are talking about make a fuss about something. But you gotta leave this Jerome James crap at the window, Seattle tried to give this guy away and nobody wanted him. He doesnt even get 20 MPG, thats how important he is to his playoff team. He didnt help Seattle get there, and just so happened to have two good games, he isnt an all-star now. He isnt even a great backup, he is your avg backup. Thats it, leave that at the door.
