Z wants 14 million a year!

[The Disector]

lol, thats why you wont resond. You got owned son.

Im not saying Z is great, or even good at pick and roll. But he isnt bad. With atleast a decent effort from the PG, he can contain the PG from driving. And also, you notice, as you may not despite me saying it 1,000 times, Z man is not the man scoring. It's the PG.

Even when picked, you still have to get, A over the pick, or B, under the pick. Teams teach defense, and obviously with the Cavs the PG is supposed to go over the pick, Z is not quick enough for the PG to go under, but why is that JMac constantly gets picked?

he knows its coming, everybody in the world does, but yet he still gets contact made on him...how??? JMac being slowed down that much allows the PG to get a straight shot at Z, and no matter how good a C is, or how fast a C is, he is not going to be able to defend a PG coming straight at him....hence the fouls.

But when Snow is in the game, he is smart enough to NOT GET PICKED, and he takes away that cut back and forces the PG to take the route Z forces, which is side line, hence, Z not getting fouled out.


Its basketball 101 and you will be taking my classes all day if you keep responding.

Good defenses don't play one way or another.
They have the ability to have a player fight thru the pick, switch the pick, or trap the ballhandler.

If you really expect a pg to constantly fight thru picks set by the center your pg would get killed and I wouldn't want to go near no basketball course set up to kill the pg.

I'm tired of making you look bad--leave me alone--I won't respond to anymore of your posts because I might chalk up a lung laughing so hard.

 

[jason436]

I really want to keep Z if he is willing to come back for around 10 mil a year. On offense Z can score on the block and with his midrange jumper, there aren't many centers in the NBA that can do that. When he gets the ball on the block he gets doubled which should be great for us if we can bring in an outside threat. The other thing Z does is open help open up the middle for Lebron and his other teammates. Z is a legimiate threat with his midrange jumper so his man has to take an extra step or two which pulls one of the oppositions potential shot blockers away from the basket. Now if we can add in an outside threat at SG, all of a sudden the guy who use to cover Newble (actually drop back off and help), will have to stay close to our SG both are moves that should open up the middle for Lebron to get to the hoop.

As far as the PG position, losing McInnis will be the greatest help to our defense but for his replacment I'd like to try and get Duhon. Duhon is a decent threat from the outside and a good defender. With Duhon and Snow we should be able to pressure the ball which should get us a few fast break points. Lebron would benefit greatly from a PG who pressure the ball because he has great anticipation and will probably pick his share of passes.

 

[Mac]

I have a person responding telling the board you got schooled and you are making me look bad?? lol...

Its not hard to understand...the PG in our defense knows the pick is coming. Yes, it cant be defended perfectly everytime, obviously or nobody would run it.

But Snow atleast knows how to work with it, he doesnt take the hit every time. You obviously have never played basketball if you think the PG fights through the pick everytime, that is the PGs fault, not the C. If he yells screener, its your job to get over or under. Not trap, no true C in the NBA is quick enough to trap effectively enough to do it more than once or twice a game. SO its either over or under. I already explained the rest of this in the previous post so its up to you to be ignorant or not.

Either way, Im making you look like Rick James after Murphy laid the smack down for that lame joke he told him at the bar....because thats what your posts are, lame jokes. So like my name in oteayo.....

 

[Hail to the Thief]

Considering all you experts have written off Ilgauskas and are willing to replace him with a stable center, I have a thought. Forget that Jerome James nonsence. He is up for a new contract so he'll bust his gut for a couple of games and hog the ball hoping for a pay day. Totally overated defensive player. I think thats the trendy new word for a player with little talent, calling then a defensive player. So while we are talking about getting a "defensive player" why have we not discussed the often forgotten legend of Kentucky basketball Mark Pope. This Championship player out of Kentucky has turned the season with Denver. When he was signed for the season, it lifted Denver onto a massive surge to where they are now. Puts up an amazing 15 boards per 48 minutes, which apparently is needed. Reading this thread I have come up with the assumption that maybe we sign Pope to play point guard, as we got little defense and rebounding from our point. Its all about defense and rebounding, and those two words are code for Mark Pope!

 

[Glen Infante]

maybe we sign Pope to play point guard

:wtf:

 

[Pioneer10]

You know a thread has degenerated when the Great Cavs Center Hope turns into Mark Pope and/or Jerome James

 

[The Disector]

You know a thread has degenerated when the Great Cavs Center Hope turns into Mark Pope and/or Jerome James

I'm a little tired of the Jerome James bashing from people who have probably never actually watched Jerome James play much so I did a little research and came up with some numbers.

Jerome James actually averages 4 shots per game and has a FG% over 50% for the season but I figured I'd take all the games he got more then 5 shots per game and show his stats!

He had 25 games where he got 6 or more shots this season.

He made 113 FG out of 201 FG attempted.

His FG% in those games is 55%.

He averaged 9.4 points per game on only 8 shots per game in those games.

Most of these games were against the better teams in the NBA including Detroit, SanAntonio, and Phoenix and I didn't even count his playoff games.

I say it again Jerome James is not a bad player just a player who doesn't get many opportunities because of all the other shooters on the Seattle squad.

This proves with more opportunities he can be and is effective.

I hear alot of whining about James but losing Z is a real possibility and has anyone else thought of a viable option to replace him in the middle??

James would be a solid replacement for the Cavs if they use him correctly and it also leaves a buttload of money to acquire other Free Agents!

 

[TheAdmin]

Nice stats, however maybe you could add the teams winning percentage when he took 6 shots or more. Was the team better when he had an increased role in the game? At a quick glance it looks like they were far under 50% when he did shoot more then 5 times.

also at a quick glance it looks like that when Seattle did win when he shot 6 or more times were in blowouts where he could have padded his stats at the end of games against scrubs.

Once again, I don't have time to do the detective work right now, but if you don't get to it I'll do it later in the afternoon.

 

[Karma]

I have never said Jerome James is a bad player, just a mediocre one. He doesn't get many shots per game because he is largely inneffective over bigger minutes. Most bigs who play minor minutes generally average minimal shots. He is not a go to guy in the paint, and will always be a 5th option on offense on most lineups, starters or bench. He has some skills, but they are limited and with any defensive pressure his offense is quite ineffective. Defensively he is just average, and finds himself in foul trouble often.

Yes Z leaving is quite a possibility. It is a scary thought as there are very few viable options. The "decent" ones in Chandler, Curry and Dalembert will all be grossly overpaid for guys who has not contributed with any consistency over any period. Jerome James is dismissed here as we are talking viable options and I'm sorry Disector, when talking viable, Jerome James is not a thought for good reason.

When you start placing all the scary facts down, resigning clearly the 3rd best center in the NBA should be a no brainer.

 

[The Disector]

When you start placing all the scary facts down, resigning clearly the 3rd best center in the NBA should be a no brainer.

3rd best?

All these guys are definitely and without a doubt among the league considered better centers.
Shaq
Yao
Big Ben
Amare
Duncan(who is both a PF and C)

Up and comers that come to mind who may be better then Z soon.
Eddy Curry
Tyson Chandler
Samuel Dalembert

Besides being the 5th(counting Duncan as a PF) best player at the center position in the NBA really isn't saying much considering how bad the Centers in the NBA are after the big names.

 

[Glen Infante]

I don't believe Amare and Ben are true centers. They play center for their team because it is best suited for their lineup.

Amare plays center because they have so much talent on the wing, that they are almost forced to do it. And with Marion picking up the rebounding slack, it made it an easier decision for them.

As for Big Ben, he is also a PF playing the C position. They have Rasheed Wallace, and I don't believe he would be playing off the bench behind Ben. Rasheed brings the O, and Ben brings the D, so it works well there.

And Tim Duncan, his height makes him center(ish), but he has always told everyone that he isn't a center, he is a PF.

 

[The Disector]

I'm just going by what thier respective teams and the NBA list them as.

Ben was an EC all-star at center.
Amare is listed as center on the team with the best record in the NBA.

Either way they are all guys anyone would rather have manning the middle of thier defense over Z.

 

[Karma]

Exactly Infante. Is Shaun Marion now considered a power forward? Of course not. Is Danny Fortson a center even though he is forced to fill in their? Not at all. Is T-Mac now a small forward? I could go on.

Eddy Curry is an imposter. The talent is obvious, but if you dont put out on the the floor, then whats the point. You critisise Z, Disector for rebounding, when Curry who is an athletic big couldn't try any less. He is a disappointment. Erick Dampier written all over him, tries when it pleases him. Tyson Chandler is the next Marcus Camby. Hopefully for him, a healthier version. That to me is a solid center, but lacks the muscle to be consistent down low at both ends. His offense is extremely raw. Dalembert is still too foul prone to be relied upon. Combine that with below par offense and he still is a project. The talents are there, but how long do you wait on these guys, when teams are going to fork out big dollars for not producing on any regularity. Its all assumption that they will pass Z, and teams will pay big to take that risk, which has just as much chance of failing as succeeding.

 

[Karma]

I'm just going by what thier respective teams and the NBA list them as.

Ben was an EC all-star at center.
Amare is listed as center on the team with the best record in the NBA.

Either way they are all guys anyone would rather have manning the middle of thier defense over Z.

Like I said, when player play out of position, it doesn't change the fact. Tracy McGrady plays small forward because his team has none, the same goes for Wallace and Stoudamire playing center at their respective teams.

I will argue the fact that Z is needed at Cleveland more then a Ben Wallace. With our team currently, offensively Z was needed. Ben Wallace would not be needed. Lebron would have to jack up 40 shots per game while being defended by 4 players. Again Disector you completely and unjustifiably ignore the MASSIVE influence Z has on offense. This is the one thing that continues to amaze me in your posts. As for Amare, wouldn't every team want him?

 

[The Disector]

The one thing you can't deny is the Cavs and any other team in the league would take any of those players to man the middle of thier team over Z in a heartbeat!


As for Z's offense-yes he's a solid offensive player in the regular season but doesn't do anything with any strength or authority around the basket. When his jump shot is off his whole game is usually off.

This is a big, big, big reason I would not be sad to see him leave. He is not a playoff type big man. In the playoffs you need strength and authority because they let the defense be alot more physical in the post and as for playing against the Cavs the other team would concentrate on attacking Z on defense meaning he would either get ate up or be in foul trouble!