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Z wants 14 million a year!
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i wouldn't mind Dalembert but the thing about him is he's just not that smart... His b-ball iq needs work and i don't want a center that will make mistakes over and over. Anyways he's gonna be harder for us to get i seriously think philly will keep him at any cost.
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The hard part for you desector is, you say you tell the truth when you havent laid down a single fact..
There isnt much I can say, other than what Ive said already and what Karma said..
James would hurt this team, there isnt one single thing he does that would help.
Lebron James isnt a motion player, this isn't Detroit. Lebron is an iso player, he needs the ball in his hands to be effective, so when you learn basketball, like you told that other guy to do, you would understand why Z is worth $10+ million to the Cavaliers.
In ways, I hope Z does walk just so I can hear some Cavs fans can figure out why Lebron's scoring and shooting % goes down.
There isnt much I can say, other than what Ive said already and what Karma said..
James would hurt this team, there isnt one single thing he does that would help.
Lebron James isnt a motion player, this isn't Detroit. Lebron is an iso player, he needs the ball in his hands to be effective, so when you learn basketball, like you told that other guy to do, you would understand why Z is worth $10+ million to the Cavaliers.
In ways, I hope Z does walk just so I can hear some Cavs fans can figure out why Lebron's scoring and shooting % goes down.
Z is a low post threat that most teams have to double team which would open up things up for an outside threat such as Redd but the thing I think we take forget is that he also makes his man step out of the paint because he can hit the midrange shot. This helps free up the middle for Lebron and if we can keep Z and add an outside threat the middle should open up even more.
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Pay attention A Mac--these are facts which = the truth and since you don't seem to have a very long memory I'll refresh it for you:
Z is not getting any better.
Z is getting older.
Z is always a threat to have a career ending injury.
Z is slowfooted and foul prone.
Z had 13 games this season where he scored 10 or less points(more then 1/7 of the season).
Z had 53 games where he got less then 10 boards.
Zydrunas did not make the playoffs.
Jerome James did make the playoffs.
Jerome James has been the difference in the Seattle series thus far.
You don't need a dominant offensive center to be a playoff team or contender.
You have had Z 7 years and the Cavs have been a lottery team for almost all of them.
Coach Silas benched Z because of his atrocious pick and roll defense on many occasions.
Lebron is one of the leauge leaders in steals.
You need defense to win championships.
Brad Miller is a top 10 center in the NBA.
Obvious to non Cavs fans.
He's a poor pick n roll defender.
He is a jump shot 1st offensive big man.
He is NOT a dominate post threat most of the time.
You can find most if not all of these facts in this thread.
Funny thing is you said I have yet to lay down a single fact and you're yet to pull your head out of your butt!
Don't take it personal but how would you feel if you could put a list like that together full of facts and someone still sits there and says you have yet to state even 1.
Finally I think you said something about someone getting owned earlier in this thread--I think that may apply here.
Z is not getting any better.
Z is getting older.
Z is always a threat to have a career ending injury.
Z is slowfooted and foul prone.
Z had 13 games this season where he scored 10 or less points(more then 1/7 of the season).
Z had 53 games where he got less then 10 boards.
Zydrunas did not make the playoffs.
Jerome James did make the playoffs.
Jerome James has been the difference in the Seattle series thus far.
You don't need a dominant offensive center to be a playoff team or contender.
You have had Z 7 years and the Cavs have been a lottery team for almost all of them.
Coach Silas benched Z because of his atrocious pick and roll defense on many occasions.
Lebron is one of the leauge leaders in steals.
You need defense to win championships.
Brad Miller is a top 10 center in the NBA.
Obvious to non Cavs fans.
He's a poor pick n roll defender.
He is a jump shot 1st offensive big man.
He is NOT a dominate post threat most of the time.
You can find most if not all of these facts in this thread.
Funny thing is you said I have yet to lay down a single fact and you're yet to pull your head out of your butt!
Don't take it personal but how would you feel if you could put a list like that together full of facts and someone still sits there and says you have yet to state even 1.
Finally I think you said something about someone getting owned earlier in this thread--I think that may apply here.
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I'm not one that wants to give Z anymore then 10 million per year...but I think your skewing things just slightly....
50% of the time James shoots a jumper vs. 46% of the time for Z I'm not sure why you call Z a jumpshot first bigman. If he is then James is worse. (Brad Miller 57% jumpshots)
Z is foul prone yet Jerome James per 48 minutes commits 10.1 fouls to Z's 5.7
Z didn't score 10 or more points in 13 games I'm not sure this is a bad thing, that means he scored in double digits 60+ times.
Z is getting older but you want to replace him with a player who is the same age?
50% of the time James shoots a jumper vs. 46% of the time for Z I'm not sure why you call Z a jumpshot first bigman. If he is then James is worse. (Brad Miller 57% jumpshots)
Z is foul prone yet Jerome James per 48 minutes commits 10.1 fouls to Z's 5.7
Z didn't score 10 or more points in 13 games I'm not sure this is a bad thing, that means he scored in double digits 60+ times.
Z is getting older but you want to replace him with a player who is the same age?
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Same age but less money--alot less and in the 2nd half of the year LeBron took alot of jumpers!
Also why does everyone want to compare any of Z's numbers to James.
I'm not arguing who has better numbers but James would be a nice replacement for alot less money!
Also why does everyone want to compare any of Z's numbers to James.
I'm not arguing who has better numbers but James would be a nice replacement for alot less money!
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lol--That's kind of funny because it's really a worthless stat then.
Jerome James hardly got shots for Seattle this year because Ray, Shard, Antonio, Luke, Radmonovic took all the shots.
He averaged 4 shots a game and still averaged 5 pts.
They give James very limited opportunities to post but when they did he was effective every time I've seen him.
Jerome James hardly got shots for Seattle this year because Ray, Shard, Antonio, Luke, Radmonovic took all the shots.
He averaged 4 shots a game and still averaged 5 pts.
They give James very limited opportunities to post but when they did he was effective every time I've seen him.
The Disector said:
A lot less money because james has a lot less skill, and brings a lot less to the game.
I'd like to know what kind of team you are trying to pimp the cavs to build.
It seems You want a defensive center that can set sceens, and do dirty work.
And you've said you want a sharreef ab dur rahim as your post threat, but his D is bad, though he does prescribe more scoring than gooden would.
But, you haven't been able to provide a solid post threat that will take z's place that can draw double teams, and take pressure off of the offense. You only jumble our offense by adding a jerome james, who has lmited offensive skill, and a abdur rahim who is more of a one on one player ala gooden offensively that won't draw many doubles. You have not been able to solve our need for a post threat. This is a big flaw in your scheme that you need to correct while you continue to pimp james, who won't be able to handle the offensive responsibility in the front court.
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I want a team of mismatches!
Jerome James can post.
Shareef Abdur-Rahim can post.
LeBron can post.
Add a Joe Johnson who can post and if we don't ugrade at the point guard we have Eric snow.
That is a good defensive squad that has a lot of options in the post!
Also post players aren't the only ones to draw doubles just ask LeBron.
Another way is to look at the Pistons.
Rasheed, Chauncey, and Rip are not defensive monsters and Ben Wallace is not a good offensive players but the mix is very good.
Look at the playoff teams and you can see the majority of them have 1 or more good or great defenders while the Cavs have 0.
Miami - Shaq, E.J.
Detroit - Tayshaun, Big Ben
Boston- Payton, Pierce
Chicago- Best defense in the league-( or however you spell his name Nocioni)
Washington - Larry Hughes, Brendan Haywood
Indiana- O'neal, Jackson(won't even count Artest)
New Jersey- Kidd, Jefferson
Phoenix- Marion, Johnson, Stoudamire
San Antonio- Duncan, Ginobli, Bowen
Seattle- James, Ridnour(underrated)
Houston- Yao, McGrady
Denver- K-mart, Camby
Memphis- Battier
The Cavs resigning Z and a shooter this offseason does not fix this glaring Cavalier hole.
Jerome James can post.
Shareef Abdur-Rahim can post.
LeBron can post.
Add a Joe Johnson who can post and if we don't ugrade at the point guard we have Eric snow.
That is a good defensive squad that has a lot of options in the post!
Also post players aren't the only ones to draw doubles just ask LeBron.
Another way is to look at the Pistons.
Rasheed, Chauncey, and Rip are not defensive monsters and Ben Wallace is not a good offensive players but the mix is very good.
Look at the playoff teams and you can see the majority of them have 1 or more good or great defenders while the Cavs have 0.
Miami - Shaq, E.J.
Detroit - Tayshaun, Big Ben
Boston- Payton, Pierce
Chicago- Best defense in the league-( or however you spell his name Nocioni)
Washington - Larry Hughes, Brendan Haywood
Indiana- O'neal, Jackson(won't even count Artest)
New Jersey- Kidd, Jefferson
Phoenix- Marion, Johnson, Stoudamire
San Antonio- Duncan, Ginobli, Bowen
Seattle- James, Ridnour(underrated)
Houston- Yao, McGrady
Denver- K-mart, Camby
Memphis- Battier
The Cavs resigning Z and a shooter this offseason does not fix this glaring Cavalier hole.
Alright, now time to pick apart this system of yours disector. :chuckles:
I want a team of mismatches!
Jerome James can post.
Shareef Abdur-Rahim can post.
LeBron can post.
Add a Joe Johnson who can post and if we don't ugrade at the point guard we have Eric snow.
That is a good defensive squad that has a lot of options in the post!
Also post players aren't the only ones to draw doubles just ask LeBron.
Another way is to look at the Pistons.
Rasheed, Rip, and Chauncey are very good defenders. There whole starting 5, all of the are well above average defenders. They mix well because rip, prince, sheed, and chaucey can all score well, whilst ben being the only player with a weakness, offense.
Well, we have snow! And if you get to count Brendan Haywood as a great defender, than I get to count Varejao, who makes much better decisions than Haywood.
Miami's team plays good team defense in their system, rather than their great defenders. Shaq, and their 4, for get his name both make good decisions on rotations, and close the lane. All their players rotate well defensively, these are the kind of players we need, SMART players
Their whole team is filled with great defenders. All their starters, and most of their bench is made of defensive players.
Boston isn't a very good defensive team, they out score people rather than stop them.
chicago is filed with good young defensive players. Chandler, Harrington, duhon, hinrich, nocioni, etc. all good defenders.
This team outscores people, doesn't play defense very smart.
Another team filled with defenders.
Another no D team, they like to score, and they are weak defensively.
score, score, score.
an entire team of defenders
seattle is mixed well between their D, and O, but they definately don't play D very good.
There whole team is filled with defenders.
More of a scoring team, but now that karl came in he's put it in their heads to defend.
They have a whole team of good D players.
The cavs D is not that bad as you think it is. The problem is we have no defensive scheme to work from. All of the teams that are defensive, have a good defensive coach that preaches defense.
When you break down our team from last year..
Z
Gooden
James
Newble
J-mac
this is a weak d starting line up. But, the problem defensively was the fact we gave up so much penetration, the perimeter defense was the problem. Not the interior defense, which was always being attacked because of the weak perimeter. When you fix a problem you want to go to the source, and the source of our defensive woes this year was the perimeter D.
Now, if you look at our 2nd team...
tractor
varejao
pav
harris
snow
much better defensively. perimeter wise harris, snow are much better than j-mac, and newble, whilst pav, and lebron canceling out. Why is this team so much better? The amount of penetration allowed is vastly decreased. When there is much less penetration the big men are allowed to maintain their responsibilities, when their is penetration constantly the big men are forced to step up, and this opens up holes in the defense.
A prime example of our defensive woes continuing even though we moved one of our weakest front court defenders out in gooden, and replaced him with tractor, who is a much better defender. Problems still occured. Even good defenders like tractor would pick up constant fouls, and look bad defensively because of our back courts defense always allowing penetration.
By removing Z and adding jerome james who is hardly a great defender(not better than even tractor) in this league will not improve our defense, when he will be consistently out of position because of our perimeter D. Z is not as bad defender as you make him out to be.
you want to add joe johnson, and snow to our back court, which is smart, they will improve our perimeter D, allowing the bigs to maintain their defensive responsilbilities.
But adding jerome james, and snow to our offense will restrict what we can do on offense. This is a big problem you don't realize you create by ading these defenders into our line up. We won't allow as many easy baskets with snow, and james starting because their D is better, but offensively they will force l. james, johnson, and PF to work alot harder offensively. Having 2 offensive liablities does not work in the nba. We saw that this year when we tried to start snow, and newble with lebron Z and gooden giving us offense. We could not do as much offensively because no one would respect snow, and newbles offensive game. Instead they would just go douyble lebron, and Z when they had the ball. You see jerome james' game working well when he has allen, ridnour, , and seattles small forward who are all very good on offense, but we won't have three all stars in the back court who hav very good offensive games.
You have to take into account everyhting, not just wow this will improve our D, that's great! When you look at what having james, and snow in our starters will do to the flow of the offense it won't be so good. I don't want to have double teams being allowed because we have people starting who are offensive liabilities.
I want a team of mismatches!
Jerome James can post.
Shareef Abdur-Rahim can post.
LeBron can post.
Add a Joe Johnson who can post and if we don't ugrade at the point guard we have Eric snow.
That is a good defensive squad that has a lot of options in the post!
Also post players aren't the only ones to draw doubles just ask LeBron.
Another way is to look at the Pistons.
Rasheed, Rip, and Chauncey are very good defenders. There whole starting 5, all of the are well above average defenders. They mix well because rip, prince, sheed, and chaucey can all score well, whilst ben being the only player with a weakness, offense.
Well, we have snow! And if you get to count Brendan Haywood as a great defender, than I get to count Varejao, who makes much better decisions than Haywood.
Miami's team plays good team defense in their system, rather than their great defenders. Shaq, and their 4, for get his name both make good decisions on rotations, and close the lane. All their players rotate well defensively, these are the kind of players we need, SMART players
Their whole team is filled with great defenders. All their starters, and most of their bench is made of defensive players.
Boston isn't a very good defensive team, they out score people rather than stop them.
chicago is filed with good young defensive players. Chandler, Harrington, duhon, hinrich, nocioni, etc. all good defenders.
This team outscores people, doesn't play defense very smart.
Another team filled with defenders.
Another no D team, they like to score, and they are weak defensively.
score, score, score.
an entire team of defenders
seattle is mixed well between their D, and O, but they definately don't play D very good.
There whole team is filled with defenders.
More of a scoring team, but now that karl came in he's put it in their heads to defend.
They have a whole team of good D players.
The cavs D is not that bad as you think it is. The problem is we have no defensive scheme to work from. All of the teams that are defensive, have a good defensive coach that preaches defense.
When you break down our team from last year..
Z
Gooden
James
Newble
J-mac
this is a weak d starting line up. But, the problem defensively was the fact we gave up so much penetration, the perimeter defense was the problem. Not the interior defense, which was always being attacked because of the weak perimeter. When you fix a problem you want to go to the source, and the source of our defensive woes this year was the perimeter D.
Now, if you look at our 2nd team...
tractor
varejao
pav
harris
snow
much better defensively. perimeter wise harris, snow are much better than j-mac, and newble, whilst pav, and lebron canceling out. Why is this team so much better? The amount of penetration allowed is vastly decreased. When there is much less penetration the big men are allowed to maintain their responsibilities, when their is penetration constantly the big men are forced to step up, and this opens up holes in the defense.
A prime example of our defensive woes continuing even though we moved one of our weakest front court defenders out in gooden, and replaced him with tractor, who is a much better defender. Problems still occured. Even good defenders like tractor would pick up constant fouls, and look bad defensively because of our back courts defense always allowing penetration.
By removing Z and adding jerome james who is hardly a great defender(not better than even tractor) in this league will not improve our defense, when he will be consistently out of position because of our perimeter D. Z is not as bad defender as you make him out to be.
you want to add joe johnson, and snow to our back court, which is smart, they will improve our perimeter D, allowing the bigs to maintain their defensive responsilbilities.
But adding jerome james, and snow to our offense will restrict what we can do on offense. This is a big problem you don't realize you create by ading these defenders into our line up. We won't allow as many easy baskets with snow, and james starting because their D is better, but offensively they will force l. james, johnson, and PF to work alot harder offensively. Having 2 offensive liablities does not work in the nba. We saw that this year when we tried to start snow, and newble with lebron Z and gooden giving us offense. We could not do as much offensively because no one would respect snow, and newbles offensive game. Instead they would just go douyble lebron, and Z when they had the ball. You see jerome james' game working well when he has allen, ridnour, , and seattles small forward who are all very good on offense, but we won't have three all stars in the back court who hav very good offensive games.
You have to take into account everyhting, not just wow this will improve our D, that's great! When you look at what having james, and snow in our starters will do to the flow of the offense it won't be so good. I don't want to have double teams being allowed because we have people starting who are offensive liabilities.
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Dear Mr. Disector,
I'd like to respond to your grievance list against Z:
Z is not getting any better.
- True
Z is getting older.
- Isn't everyone? Unless you have some divine powers of God preventing aging.. let me know if you do.
Z is always a threat to have a career ending injury.
- They've been saying that for the past 4 years. He has been quite health lately because he's taken preventative measures against a re-injury. Karma highlighted this point quite nicely.
Z is slowfooted and foul prone.
-Slowfooted, yes. He's 7'3, what do you expect? It's a trade-off. You want a faster guy, you lose the size, thus lose the certain advantage.
Foul prone only when you have 2 guys that allow penetration way too often. His fouls mostly come from fouling quick guards allowed in. Already been discussed.
Z had 13 games this season where he scored 10 or less points(more then 1/7 of the season).
Still, he averaged a healthy 18 points per game. I can say that LeBron had so many games where scored less than 20. Less than 15. Everyone has their off nights.
Z had 53 games where he got less then 10 boards.
Silliest comment on here. Gooden had plenty of games where he had less than 10 boards. Wait, so how many centers in this league averaged 10+ boards?
Zydrunas did not make the playoffs.
Jerome James did make the playoffs.
-I suppose this is a just argument against Z, but certainly not for Jerome James. A person averaging 20 minutes a game is not the deciding factor between making the playoffs or not. Seattle is a better team because of superior coaching and a multitude of shooting talent.
Jerome James has been the difference in the Seattle series thus far.
-True. But was he the difference maker in Seattle's season? I think that award goes to Ray Allen & Rashard Lewis, the two that made the all-star team.
You don't need a dominant offensive center to be a playoff team or contender.
-Yea, you don't. But perhaps you don't need a true point guard. Sometimes you don't need a perimeter shooter. Sometimes you don't need a slasher. It depends on the team's style of play. But it's awfully nice to have someone that has a unique skill, isn't it?
You have had Z 7 years and the Cavs have been a lottery team for almost all of them.
- Z came in and made the playoffs witha good supporting cast. Then he got injured for several years and the team plummetted into bad GM decisions. No fault of his, I don't think. He's no leader, but he's a great player if given good complements.
Coach Silas benched Z because of his atrocious pick and roll defense on many occasions.
-Yes, he has bad pick-and-roll defense. But I'm sure it'll look a lot better if McInnis isn't behind every screen.
Lebron is one of the league leaders in steals.
-Yup, but if you ever watch Cavs games, you'll notice he's as absent minded on rotations, off-the-ball defense, and coverage in general. If he's the best defensive player on the team, then why is Newble guarding the best player on the other team?
You need defense to win championships.
-Yes.
Brad Miller is a top 10 center in the NBA.
-Yes.
Z's post defense is not bad. If he gets support from his cast in the defense arena, he won't grab all the fouls and attention in the post. He's a solid shot-blocker and offensive rebounder, solely because of his size. His jumper is solid. There's a reason why he was on the all-star team this year, even though he got to a pretty slow start. You should recognize that Z is a top 5 center in this league. Enough to make 14 mil/year? I dunno, I think everyone agrees that 14 is too much. But 10 million would be nice. Even 12 million would be alright depending on the cap space situation. If we chase Dalembert, it would be 8-10 million starting salary, easy. Why pay that much for unproven potential when we can pay for a proven, high-quality center?
I'd like to respond to your grievance list against Z:
Z is not getting any better.
- True
Z is getting older.
- Isn't everyone? Unless you have some divine powers of God preventing aging.. let me know if you do.
Z is always a threat to have a career ending injury.
- They've been saying that for the past 4 years. He has been quite health lately because he's taken preventative measures against a re-injury. Karma highlighted this point quite nicely.
Z is slowfooted and foul prone.
-Slowfooted, yes. He's 7'3, what do you expect? It's a trade-off. You want a faster guy, you lose the size, thus lose the certain advantage.
Foul prone only when you have 2 guys that allow penetration way too often. His fouls mostly come from fouling quick guards allowed in. Already been discussed.
Z had 13 games this season where he scored 10 or less points(more then 1/7 of the season).
Still, he averaged a healthy 18 points per game. I can say that LeBron had so many games where scored less than 20. Less than 15. Everyone has their off nights.
Z had 53 games where he got less then 10 boards.
Silliest comment on here. Gooden had plenty of games where he had less than 10 boards. Wait, so how many centers in this league averaged 10+ boards?
Zydrunas did not make the playoffs.
Jerome James did make the playoffs.
-I suppose this is a just argument against Z, but certainly not for Jerome James. A person averaging 20 minutes a game is not the deciding factor between making the playoffs or not. Seattle is a better team because of superior coaching and a multitude of shooting talent.
Jerome James has been the difference in the Seattle series thus far.
-True. But was he the difference maker in Seattle's season? I think that award goes to Ray Allen & Rashard Lewis, the two that made the all-star team.
You don't need a dominant offensive center to be a playoff team or contender.
-Yea, you don't. But perhaps you don't need a true point guard. Sometimes you don't need a perimeter shooter. Sometimes you don't need a slasher. It depends on the team's style of play. But it's awfully nice to have someone that has a unique skill, isn't it?
You have had Z 7 years and the Cavs have been a lottery team for almost all of them.
- Z came in and made the playoffs witha good supporting cast. Then he got injured for several years and the team plummetted into bad GM decisions. No fault of his, I don't think. He's no leader, but he's a great player if given good complements.
Coach Silas benched Z because of his atrocious pick and roll defense on many occasions.
-Yes, he has bad pick-and-roll defense. But I'm sure it'll look a lot better if McInnis isn't behind every screen.
Lebron is one of the league leaders in steals.
-Yup, but if you ever watch Cavs games, you'll notice he's as absent minded on rotations, off-the-ball defense, and coverage in general. If he's the best defensive player on the team, then why is Newble guarding the best player on the other team?
You need defense to win championships.
-Yes.
Brad Miller is a top 10 center in the NBA.
-Yes.
Z's post defense is not bad. If he gets support from his cast in the defense arena, he won't grab all the fouls and attention in the post. He's a solid shot-blocker and offensive rebounder, solely because of his size. His jumper is solid. There's a reason why he was on the all-star team this year, even though he got to a pretty slow start. You should recognize that Z is a top 5 center in this league. Enough to make 14 mil/year? I dunno, I think everyone agrees that 14 is too much. But 10 million would be nice. Even 12 million would be alright depending on the cap space situation. If we chase Dalembert, it would be 8-10 million starting salary, easy. Why pay that much for unproven potential when we can pay for a proven, high-quality center?
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E-Light said:
Very good or good?? I say good.
E-Light said:
You can't count Varejao he doesn't start and for that matter niether does Snow.
E-Light said:
I wasn't trying to get into a debate with who is or is not a good defender in the NBA but you went further to prove my point that there are good defenders who start on most of the playoff teams.
E-LIGHT said:
I agree we need a coach to teach some defensive principles but since Z has returned from injury every team in the NBA knows that if you try to run against him and get him in pick n roll you can score easily on the Cavs.
E-Light said:
I said if we don't upgrade the PG. We all know we are going to address that need. Put a Troy Hudson, D. Dickau, or Damon Jones in the PG spot and the lineup doesn't have any real flaws to it.
Also if Jerome James is used correctly he is a viable offensive option.
My point of the post is most of the NBA playoff teams have starters who are considered among the NBA to be good defenders and the Cavs have 0!
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Disector you have to include Snow into the equation for us now, as he is starting center now. You start a Dickau or Hudson we have the same defensive problems as we did with McInnis.
Disector, I really do respect your views, but you are fighting the wrong fight. You continually bring up that defense is our priority area to fix, and that this brings championships. Well McInnis leaving immediately upgrades our defense, and promotes the shooting guard to our biggest need. The reason noone agrees with you is because you state Z is our weakest defender. That is 100% untrue. McInnis and LeBron were definately our greatest defensive weakness. Lebron may have had the steal numbers, but that came from just playing passing lanes rather then D'ing up his man. Drew Gooden has the tools to be a decent defender, but makes dumb decisions. Z rates as No.2 in our starting lineup as he has one hell of an advantage by standing at 7'3. He also is an intelligent baller, and is solid on man to man D. Pick'n'roll defense is a weakness of him, but the combination with McInnis was a nightmare. Snow actually would fight through picks unlike Jeff, hense Z being able to stick with his man better. The less times Z defends a point guard or a small forward the better. He shouldn't be worrying about them all the time like he had to with Jeff and LeBron. You seem to give McInnis and Lebron the benefit of doubt as you rarely mention their defincies even though they are the source. I believe Z deserves some consideration seeing he was bombarded by opposition point and small forward all season. Heck even put a smart hard nosed defender like Evans next to Z and you would see a major upgrade.
Disector, you seem to be wearing blinkers. Take them off and you may get a true vision.
Disector, I really do respect your views, but you are fighting the wrong fight. You continually bring up that defense is our priority area to fix, and that this brings championships. Well McInnis leaving immediately upgrades our defense, and promotes the shooting guard to our biggest need. The reason noone agrees with you is because you state Z is our weakest defender. That is 100% untrue. McInnis and LeBron were definately our greatest defensive weakness. Lebron may have had the steal numbers, but that came from just playing passing lanes rather then D'ing up his man. Drew Gooden has the tools to be a decent defender, but makes dumb decisions. Z rates as No.2 in our starting lineup as he has one hell of an advantage by standing at 7'3. He also is an intelligent baller, and is solid on man to man D. Pick'n'roll defense is a weakness of him, but the combination with McInnis was a nightmare. Snow actually would fight through picks unlike Jeff, hense Z being able to stick with his man better. The less times Z defends a point guard or a small forward the better. He shouldn't be worrying about them all the time like he had to with Jeff and LeBron. You seem to give McInnis and Lebron the benefit of doubt as you rarely mention their defincies even though they are the source. I believe Z deserves some consideration seeing he was bombarded by opposition point and small forward all season. Heck even put a smart hard nosed defender like Evans next to Z and you would see a major upgrade.
Disector, you seem to be wearing blinkers. Take them off and you may get a true vision.
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