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We've tried that experiment before. I didn't really like Sessions when he was here. I know many on here didn't as well.
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15th Roster Spot?
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We've tried that experiment before. I didn't really like Sessions when he was here. I know many on here didn't as well.
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When I heard the Cavaliers were eyeing up a backup point with the Haywood contract, Cole was the first guy I thought about. I don't know if Riley wants to help the Cavaliers out though...
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Chris Fedor (i know, i know) published a list of 11 possible PG options (http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index...liers_looking_to_2.html#incart_social_feature). I've compressed the article down to the names and proposed trades.
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The list of free agent point guards is thin, and as Griffin attempts to patch one more hole, his best route might again be via trade.
The Cavs don't have many assets, but one remains: Brendan Haywood's unique contract, which is worth $2.2 million this season, before it balloons to more than $10 million in the off-season.
Here is the list of available points guards either in trades, overseas or free agency:
(Note: All trades work using ESPN.com's trade machine)
Nate Robinson
Nate Robinson is currently a free agent.
Jordan Farmar
Farmar was recently released by the Clippers.
Bobby Brown, Dongguan Leopards (CBA)
His season in China doesn't end until March and the Leopards are currently in the playoff picture, but Brown, who reportedly has two years left on his contract with Dongguan, has an opt-out clause if there's an opportunity to leave for the NBA.
Toney Douglas, Jiangsu Nangang Dragons (CBA)
After averaging 4.0 points and 1.3 assists last season for the Warriors and Heat, he signed a one-year deal in the CBA and is available to join a team for its playoff run if there is interest.
Will Bynum, Guangdong Southern Tigers (CBA)
Any team interested will have to wait for Guangdong's playoff run to end in March.
Jameer Nelson, Denver Nuggets
The trade: Haywood for Nelson.
Mo Williams, Minnesota Timberwolves
The trade: Haywood and Harris for Williams.
Jose Calderon, New York Knicks
The trade: Haywood, Harris and Miller for Calderon.
Ramon Sessions, Sacramento Kings
The trade: Haywood for Sessions.
C.J. Watson, Indiana Pacers
The trade: Haywood for Watson.
Norris Cole, Miami Heat
The trade: Haywood for Cole.
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The list of free agent point guards is thin, and as Griffin attempts to patch one more hole, his best route might again be via trade.
The Cavs don't have many assets, but one remains: Brendan Haywood's unique contract, which is worth $2.2 million this season, before it balloons to more than $10 million in the off-season.
Here is the list of available points guards either in trades, overseas or free agency:
(Note: All trades work using ESPN.com's trade machine)
Nate Robinson
Nate Robinson is currently a free agent.
Jordan Farmar
Farmar was recently released by the Clippers.
Bobby Brown, Dongguan Leopards (CBA)
His season in China doesn't end until March and the Leopards are currently in the playoff picture, but Brown, who reportedly has two years left on his contract with Dongguan, has an opt-out clause if there's an opportunity to leave for the NBA.
Toney Douglas, Jiangsu Nangang Dragons (CBA)
After averaging 4.0 points and 1.3 assists last season for the Warriors and Heat, he signed a one-year deal in the CBA and is available to join a team for its playoff run if there is interest.
Will Bynum, Guangdong Southern Tigers (CBA)
Any team interested will have to wait for Guangdong's playoff run to end in March.Jameer Nelson, Denver Nuggets
The trade: Haywood for Nelson.
Mo Williams, Minnesota Timberwolves
The trade: Haywood and Harris for Williams.
Jose Calderon, New York Knicks
The trade: Haywood, Harris and Miller for Calderon.
Ramon Sessions, Sacramento Kings
The trade: Haywood for Sessions.
C.J. Watson, Indiana Pacers
The trade: Haywood for Watson.
Norris Cole, Miami Heat
The trade: Haywood for Cole.
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I'm not as sold on a backup point guard as some of you.
For me, it's all about another center. Mozgov gets hurt and other bigs around the league are back to using Kevin Love as a step-stool to the basket.
Mozzy is mobile and seems pretty sturdy but injury is always a concern with guys his size.
For me, it's all about another center. Mozgov gets hurt and other bigs around the league are back to using Kevin Love as a step-stool to the basket.
Mozzy is mobile and seems pretty sturdy but injury is always a concern with guys his size.
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JSS, there is a difference between my personal beliefs and whispers around the team. I want them to wait and see who is banged up by the deadline. I hope Slammin' Sammy or another solid Okafor type is there if Mozgov is more banged up than Kyrie.
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The Cavs need a backup C.
If we trade Haywood for a player we still have a spot to sign a player which would allow us to address both needs.
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Obviously we won't be cutting both Mike Miller and James Jones.
But, when you look at the roster, with JR Smith it is now constructed differently. JR is a pure 3 point shooter whom they didn't have before the season. IMO that makes one of those guys now expendable - as Shumpert is also a decent 3 point shooter.
But, when you look at the roster, with JR Smith it is now constructed differently. JR is a pure 3 point shooter whom they didn't have before the season. IMO that makes one of those guys now expendable - as Shumpert is also a decent 3 point shooter.
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Yeah, a few of these guys on the list I wouldn't want for free, let alone actually giving up an asset for(Sessions, Cole, Nelson). I do like CJ Watson though, he can play. Rather than give up Haywood for any of those bums I mentioned, I would rather cut Jones and take a flyer on one of the free agents (brown or bynum) and also pickup Sammy for some depth at Center.
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I don't know, I would cut one of those guys for Sessions actually. Prefer Will Bynum over all those names.
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Sessions has been incredibly bad this year.
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Argument: Cavs need another big more than they need a backup PG. Whether it is a pure center like Dalembert or more of a PF/C hybrid, who can pair with any of the Cavs' other bigs, is a separate question. (Given the current roster, I'd sort of prefer the hybrid, but mainly I would want someone Blatt would actually be willing to play.)
Counter-argument: Following Keys lead, it does make some sense to see what the team most needs in a few weeks rather than right now. In the meantime, the market will become more robust with the passing of trade deadline and subsequent opening up of the buy-out market as well as the end of the Chinese basketball season.
Counter to the counter-argument: You are unnecessarily taking on injury risk by playing the Cavs' 3 bigs (Love, TT, Moz) more than is needed because there are no other viable options on the roster.
Counter to this argument: Blatt wouldn't play just any big you happened to sign. And some, such as Dalembert, may not necessarily be a good mix culture-wise. Besides Cavs can realistically go small with Marion or LeBron at the 4 now that they have upgraded the wings.
Somewhat unsurprising conclusion to this dialectic: There is no perfect solution.
PG argument: Personally, I see the argument for adding another PG. I don't think Shump is going to serve as the primary ballhandler in a competitive game. But so long as the game is competitive, either LeBron or Kyrie should be on the court anyway. Maybe you can do short stretches of Delly plus Shump or Smith (or both). Plus, Blatt typically rests his stars for only brief periods, so maybe you can steal a minute or two here or there. If Kyrie gets hurt, obviously PG becomes a bigger priority.
Fedor article: I actually appreciate his having written this article. Unlike some pieces he has done, he is being realistic in that most of the PGs he lists are either currently available (as free agents), soon will be (once their season in China is over), or have been rumored to be available via trade. They are all sort of realistic...well, Calderon basically isn't because of his salary.
Problems with his article: He doesn't define what the Cavs really need. What do they need? A PG whose strength is defense? A guy who can run the offense competently and keep the ball moving? A guy who can provide instant offense and create his own shot? A guy who can spread the floor with 3 point shooting? Meaningful post-season experience? As a result of not defining what the team needs, his preference is the guy who is currently putting up the biggest raw numbers (Nelson). He also doesn't really consider what the other teams' goals may be, and whether the team might value the Haywood contract.
My preference at PG: My guess is that the thing the Cavs would be mostly looking for in a PG is the capacity to run an offense. Second, I would probably say play defense (it was apparently in part for his defense that the Cavs signed Will Cherry earlier in the year), though maybe I could be convinced it's the ability to spread the floor (I guess that's what AJ Price brought to the table).
My opinion on the Fedor PG options: So who of the Fedor guys would be best? Probably C.J. Watson. Would small market Indy trade him for the Haywood contract? Can't really see why they would, even with the Cavs throwing in that late second round pick they just acquired.
Who did Fedor not include? I'd add Pablo Prigioni -- understandably the Knicks have been rumored to be trying to trade him. I didn't think it would be possible, but now with the complication of significant PG injuries in Detroit and Charlotte maybe they will be able to do so. I don't see the Knicks as a natural trade partner with the Cavs, and I don't think the Haywood contract would be of particular value to the Knicks since they are clearing capspace, unless they can flip it for an expiring contract or something.
Would the other team value Haywood's non-guaranteed contract in a trade? Miami (Cole) -- might have interest in contract, but would they trade with Cavs?? Indy (Watson) -- not likely interested in Haywood contract. Sacramento (Sessions) -- probably willing to dump Sessions contract, but do they value Haywood contract? Denver (Nelson) -- might be willing to dump his player option contract for next year, but would they value Haywood contract? Calderon: trade math not realistic. Williams: doubt the Cavs would have interest, and Minny wouldn't value the Haywood contract.
Haywood contract: My sense is the Cavs value the Haywood contract more than CJ Watson, who is on an expiring contract, and they are likely to value the contract chip more than cost-conscious Indy. Same goes for these other potential trade targets. If the Cavs can't find a team that values the contract as much as they do before the trade deadline and so long as they are not desperate (for instance, due to an injury), they should keep him and his contract because they will likely be able to make better use of it this summer, probably not to acquire another big contract, but at least to get something a bit better than CJ Watson or the like.
My Final Conclusion: I don't particularly like any of these trades involving Haywood because they don't maximize his value. And without trading Haywood, and thus clearing a roster spot, I don't favor signing a PG as a free agent since I think the need for a 4th big is greater. In other words, I find the arguments for adding a 4th big to be more persuasive than adding a PG. Of course, if an injury occurs before the trade deadline, I may well change my opinion.
Counter-argument: Following Keys lead, it does make some sense to see what the team most needs in a few weeks rather than right now. In the meantime, the market will become more robust with the passing of trade deadline and subsequent opening up of the buy-out market as well as the end of the Chinese basketball season.
Counter to the counter-argument: You are unnecessarily taking on injury risk by playing the Cavs' 3 bigs (Love, TT, Moz) more than is needed because there are no other viable options on the roster.
Counter to this argument: Blatt wouldn't play just any big you happened to sign. And some, such as Dalembert, may not necessarily be a good mix culture-wise. Besides Cavs can realistically go small with Marion or LeBron at the 4 now that they have upgraded the wings.
Somewhat unsurprising conclusion to this dialectic: There is no perfect solution.
PG argument: Personally, I see the argument for adding another PG. I don't think Shump is going to serve as the primary ballhandler in a competitive game. But so long as the game is competitive, either LeBron or Kyrie should be on the court anyway. Maybe you can do short stretches of Delly plus Shump or Smith (or both). Plus, Blatt typically rests his stars for only brief periods, so maybe you can steal a minute or two here or there. If Kyrie gets hurt, obviously PG becomes a bigger priority.
Fedor article: I actually appreciate his having written this article. Unlike some pieces he has done, he is being realistic in that most of the PGs he lists are either currently available (as free agents), soon will be (once their season in China is over), or have been rumored to be available via trade. They are all sort of realistic...well, Calderon basically isn't because of his salary.
Problems with his article: He doesn't define what the Cavs really need. What do they need? A PG whose strength is defense? A guy who can run the offense competently and keep the ball moving? A guy who can provide instant offense and create his own shot? A guy who can spread the floor with 3 point shooting? Meaningful post-season experience? As a result of not defining what the team needs, his preference is the guy who is currently putting up the biggest raw numbers (Nelson). He also doesn't really consider what the other teams' goals may be, and whether the team might value the Haywood contract.
My preference at PG: My guess is that the thing the Cavs would be mostly looking for in a PG is the capacity to run an offense. Second, I would probably say play defense (it was apparently in part for his defense that the Cavs signed Will Cherry earlier in the year), though maybe I could be convinced it's the ability to spread the floor (I guess that's what AJ Price brought to the table).
My opinion on the Fedor PG options: So who of the Fedor guys would be best? Probably C.J. Watson. Would small market Indy trade him for the Haywood contract? Can't really see why they would, even with the Cavs throwing in that late second round pick they just acquired.
Who did Fedor not include? I'd add Pablo Prigioni -- understandably the Knicks have been rumored to be trying to trade him. I didn't think it would be possible, but now with the complication of significant PG injuries in Detroit and Charlotte maybe they will be able to do so. I don't see the Knicks as a natural trade partner with the Cavs, and I don't think the Haywood contract would be of particular value to the Knicks since they are clearing capspace, unless they can flip it for an expiring contract or something.
Would the other team value Haywood's non-guaranteed contract in a trade? Miami (Cole) -- might have interest in contract, but would they trade with Cavs?? Indy (Watson) -- not likely interested in Haywood contract. Sacramento (Sessions) -- probably willing to dump Sessions contract, but do they value Haywood contract? Denver (Nelson) -- might be willing to dump his player option contract for next year, but would they value Haywood contract? Calderon: trade math not realistic. Williams: doubt the Cavs would have interest, and Minny wouldn't value the Haywood contract.
Haywood contract: My sense is the Cavs value the Haywood contract more than CJ Watson, who is on an expiring contract, and they are likely to value the contract chip more than cost-conscious Indy. Same goes for these other potential trade targets. If the Cavs can't find a team that values the contract as much as they do before the trade deadline and so long as they are not desperate (for instance, due to an injury), they should keep him and his contract because they will likely be able to make better use of it this summer, probably not to acquire another big contract, but at least to get something a bit better than CJ Watson or the like.
My Final Conclusion: I don't particularly like any of these trades involving Haywood because they don't maximize his value. And without trading Haywood, and thus clearing a roster spot, I don't favor signing a PG as a free agent since I think the need for a 4th big is greater. In other words, I find the arguments for adding a 4th big to be more persuasive than adding a PG. Of course, if an injury occurs before the trade deadline, I may well change my opinion.
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You know who we need right now? ANDREW Bynum.
Cut James Jones, and sign him. James Jones is as useless as tits on a boarhog, at this point.
Cut James Jones, and sign him. James Jones is as useless as tits on a boarhog, at this point.
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Call it irrational, but I would love Mo Williams back, and a happy Lebron-Mo reunion woud just make me feel all warm inside