2015 Cleveland Browns Regular Season Thread

[spydy13]

Denver is still sucking ass offensively. If our defense can somehow rise up at home we might actually have a chance next week.

 

[Chris]

He said using the Manziel pick to draft a WR.

So Beckham would not have been available.

Fair enough. I agree with not taking a WR just to take one. When you see a game changing talent, I am all about jumping on it, though.

 

[FiveThous]

Okay, Ray Farmer. Because a player at a position is playing amazingly and the team still sucks, suddenly that position is simply a luxury and does not impact the game?

Just the worst logic ever. I'm embarrassed for anyone with that take.

Meanwhile, that corner the Browns took at #8 sure is impacting the team positively and racking up the wins for Pettine. Glad they decided to go with a player that affects the game on more than 3-4 plays a game. #Farmerthink

Beckham looked great on that Giants playoff team last year... Oh wait.. Julio is so good the falcons havent been to the playoffs since 2012 (yes I know he missed some time).. Calvin Johnson has lead Detroit to how many playoff appearances again? Meanwhile Tom Brady is winning with Carolina cast offs, college qbs and the most handsome man in football, Danny Amendola.

You add a WR when you're about to compete not when you have holes on half your roster. And your Gilbert example is comical. A great WR touches the ball on average what 8-9 plays a game.

By all means, keep believing a WR is a premium position and that's what is holding us back.

 

[AZ_]

Beckham looked great on that Giants playoff team last year... Oh wait.. Julio is so good the falcons havent been to the playoffs since 2012 (yes I know he missed some time).. Calvin Johnson has lead Detroit to how many playoff appearances again? Meanwhile Tom Brady is winning with Carolina cast offs, college qbs and the most handsome man in football, Danny Amendola.

You add a WR when you're about to compete not when you have holes on half your roster. And your Gilbert example is comical. A great WR touches the ball on average what 8-9 plays a game.

By all means, keep believing a WR is a premium position and that's what is holding us back.

You forgot Sammy Watkins turning the Bills offense around.

 

[FiveThous]

You forgot Sammy Watkins turning the Bills offense around.

Nah, I didnt. We were talking about good WRs.

 

[DJTJ]

Nah, I didnt. We were talking about good WRs.

You're talking about receivers getting thrown to by HOF QB's, and you're talking facts using ridiculous hindsight.

Zero people wanted OBJ where we picked. Zero people expected him to produce at that level.

 

[Chris]

Beckham looked great on that Giants playoff team last year... Oh wait.. Julio is so good the falcons havent been to the playoffs since 2012 (yes I know he missed some time).. Calvin Johnson has lead Detroit to how many playoff appearances again? Meanwhile Tom Brady is winning with Carolina cast offs, college qbs and the most handsome man in football, Danny Amendola.

You add a WR when you're about to compete not when you have holes on half your roster. And your Gilbert example is comical. A great WR touches the ball on average what 8-9 plays a game.

By all means, keep believing a WR is a premium position and that's what is holding us back.

I don't get what is so freaking outlandish about the concept that it's a team game where a variety of positions matter, not just "the trenches" or whatever you guys want to build up for the next two decades.

Joe Thomas and Alex Mack are supposedly these All Pro players. How many playoff appearances have they led the Browns to? In fact, this whole goddam offensive line is stocked with high draft picks, all of them with zero playoff appearances between them. Citing great WRs and saying they haven't been to he postseason proves exactly jack shit to me when I can do the same thing for literally every position around the league a dozen times over.

WR is a hole just like any other on the team. Another opportunity to create what we call a MISMATCH for the opposing team.

 

[Frank Stallone]

Said a few times and I will say it again... not good enough to make the playoffs, not anywhere near bad enough for a really good draft pick. They're nowhere near as bad as some say. They have plenty of holes, but some good nice pieces.

Big McCown hater, but can't hate on him here. He did get a touch lucky with the INT that was called back for roughing. Pretty dumb fuck throw. Still hate how he holds onto the ball at times. Could've maybe ended it in regulation.

 

[GreasySpread36]

I'm not a huge fan of spending high draft picks on WR, but Chris makes a good point. You could cite examples from almost every position except maybe QB of great individual players who don't singlehandedly turn their teams into winners.

 

[DJTJ]

I don't get what is so freaking outlandish about the concept that it's a team game where a variety of positions matter, not just "the trenches" or whatever you guys want to build up for the next two decades.

Joe Thomas and Alex Mack are supposedly these All Pro players. How many playoff appearances have they led the Browns to? In fact, this whole goddam offensive line is stocked with high draft picks, all of them with zero playoff appearances between them. Citing great WRs and saying they haven't been to he postseason proves exactly jack shit to me when I can do the same thing for literally every position around the league a dozen times over.

WR is a hole just like any other on the team. Another opportunity to create what we call a MISMATCH for the opposing team.

We threw for 457 yards.

Pretty sure we created a mismatch.

 

[AZ_]

You're talking about receivers getting thrown to by HOF QB's, and you're talking facts using ridiculous hindsight.

Zero people wanted OBJ where we picked. Zero people expected him to produce at that level.

Ahem, not zero.

I was the only one here touting him over Watkins.

I'd have been fine with him, but other positions are still more important

 

[Chris]

We threw for 457 yards.

Pretty sure we created a mismatch.

Like is this just an attempt at boobie-esque snark, or are you making some sort of argument? Because this statement is not relevant to the conversation you are replying to involving whether or not WRs are a valuable commodity.

As a side note, raise your hand if you're gullible and think throwing 51 times a game to Taylor Gabriel and Travis Benjamin for crotch catches in the end zone is in any way sustainable.

 

[Chris]

Ahem, not zero.

I was the only one here touting him over Watkins.

I'd have been fine with him, but other positions are still more important

I said at the timeI would have loved him at that spot, but I'm not going to sit here and brag because there's also like a dozen other players I probably wanted at that spot including other receivers. I'd have been okay with any of them. I'm no scout.

What they ended up doing is actually one of the few things I wasn't terribly on board with, as it so happens that is usually how the Browns operate their draft.

FTR I never wanted Watkins. At all.

 

[DJTJ]

Like is this just an attempt at boobie-esque snark, or are you making some sort of argument? Because this statement is not relevant to the conversation you are replying to involving whether or not WRs are a valuable commodity.

As a side note, raise your hand if you're gullible and think throwing 51 times a game to Taylor Gabriel and Travis Benjamin for crotch catches in the end zone is in any way sustainable.

We've sustained it for three weeks. It's not a snarky comment. We're effectively using our players to create a mismatch, and you said we weren't because we didn't have this big name, top round pick, which isn't true in the slightest.

We were ninth in passing going into this game. Are you complaining because the media tells you we need one single high-pick WR, or because the offense is playing like shit?

 

[Chris]

We've sustained it for three weeks. It's not a snarky comment. We're effectively using our players to create a mismatch, and you said we weren't because we didn't have this big name, top round pick, which isn't true in the slightest.

We were ninth in passing going into this game. Are you complaining because the media tells you we need one single high-pick WR, or because the offense is playing like shit?

We've sustained it for three weeks, huh? Are we watching the same games? Even if this were true, is this a sustainable way to run the team for the foreseeable future? Not really, no. Doubt the Browns will be throwing 50 passes a game with Josh McCown under center and see us win any more than 6 games.

Shocked if anyone is going to argue otherwise.

Nothing I ever said was a complaint about how the team played today, or Josh McCown. Somewhere, the topic shifted to people arguing that WRs are a "luxury position" and implications that somehow stacking the D line and O Line like the Browns have been doing for years was infinitely more valuable than drafting skill positions. Well, I have news...doing this for years has not led the Browns to any more playoff appearances than these great WRs that you guys are citing as having no postseason success.

Hence, my final point was that perhaps WR actually is a valuable position to have a great player at, just like OT, just like NT, just like LB, maybe not as much as QB, but you get the idea. It's just another hole on the team, just like all those other positions, that, if we plugged a great player in, would help out a lot.

I really don't see how this concept is so ridiculous.