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Andy Marte...do I dare say he is ready?

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That's one option. Or we could let Gimenez fill Garko's role and let LaPorta finish the season at AAA, then compete for a spot on the roster in Spring Training.
 
I wish they could trade Peralta right now, but I don't think that's possible.

Peralta going down is the only way I see him playing in Cleveland again.
 
I may be in the minority but I am not giving up on Peralta just yet.. I think he might respond to a new coaching staff, because Wedge is terrible, and I'm surprised any of our players have developed under him. If we get a new staff, we might see Peralta back to his .270, 20 HRs, and 70-80 RBIs. He has it in him.

Players like Sizemore, Victor, Choo, Hafner don't need coaching. They have pure talents, and eye for the plate and just flat out know how to hit. Then there are guys like Peralta, Gutierrez, Francisco, who all struggled against breaking pitches. Gutierrez went to Seattle, I'm assuming he had more instructing, and now he waits on the ball more, he'll go opposite field which he never did here. That is why you see some guys we deal get better else where, better coaching.
 
I'm not sure I agree about Peralta.

I like him at shortstop, where that production is among the best in the league. When that moves over to third base, he is merely average and has been well below average this year.

It would be OK if he played solid defense at 3B, but he's always going to be a tick below average there too. If they can find a window of opportunity to trade him to a team that wants him at SS, his value isn't going to get higher.

He will only depreciate as his days at SS grow thinner IMO.
 
I agree with the consensus here... there's no reason not to bring him up and play him everyday to see if he can cut it. Of course, there's no reason we shouldn't bring up LaPorta or any other prospect for that matter who is pretty much major league ready because we have to know what we have moving forward.

The problem we have is that we have a manager who is fighting to keep his job and even BEFORE his job was on the line, getting him to play his young guys was like pulling teeth. How many cracks did Delucci's terrible bat get before we finally kicked him to the curb? It's a real problem and hopefully Shapiro can pull off some trades to create vacancies that Wedge has no choice to fill but with our young talent.
 
Spectre said:
I agree with the consensus here... there's no reason not to bring him up and play him everyday to see if he can cut it. Of course, there's no reason we shouldn't bring up LaPorta or any other prospect for that matter who is pretty much major league ready because we have to know what we have moving forward.

The problem we have is that we have a manager who is fighting to keep his job and even BEFORE his job was on the line, getting him to play his young guys was like pulling teeth. How many cracks did Delucci's terrible bat get before we finally kicked him to the curb? It's a real problem and hopefully Shapiro can pull off some trades to create vacancies that Wedge has no choice to fill but with our young talent.
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Yes. Allowing Wedge to be the manager the rest of the year hurts the Indians in the long run in a big way. Oh sure, it may be true the Dolans don't want to pay two managers if he was fired right now, but how does that help the team's future? We know darn well Shapiro has told Wedge he will evaluate him at end of year. Because of this, of course Wedge wants to WIN as many games as possible the rest of the year. The team will play real well now that nothing is on the line. We have a case where the best interests of the team and of the manager/coaches is at exact opposites. NOT good.

The only way I see that our young good prospects get called up in a week or so is if we trade away players like Garko, Shoppach, Carrol, and Peralta. We could get some nice players back for the first three. I'd take a bag of chips for Peralta right now, in spite of his grand slam. I'm sick of players starting to play well when the pressure is off.

Waiting until September is too damn late to call up Marte. We need to find out for sure if he can play MLB or not. Call him up this weekend along with LaPorta and Brantley. I liked Gimenez behind the plate. This kid could be very valuable to us in the future with all the positions he can play well.
 
elcheato said:
I may be in the minority but I am not giving up on Peralta just yet.. I think he might respond to a new coaching staff, because Wedge is terrible, and I'm surprised any of our players have developed under him. If we get a new staff, we might see Peralta back to his .270, 20 HRs, and 70-80 RBIs. He has it in him.

Players like Sizemore, Victor, Choo, Hafner don't need coaching. They have pure talents, and eye for the plate and just flat out know how to hit. Then there are guys like Peralta, Gutierrez, Francisco, who all struggled against breaking pitches. Gutierrez went to Seattle, I'm assuming he had more instructing, and now he waits on the ball more, he'll go opposite field which he never did here. That is why you see some guys we deal get better else where, better coaching.
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Gutierrez took the ball the other way in Cleveland- he just wasn't consistent. If he is doing anything different, it is that he has adjusted to hitting the breaking ball. This is an adjustment EVERY young hitter has to make when they jump from AAA to the bigs. Unless the Seattle hitting coach is standing behind him when he bats, helping him swing, then I dont see how coaching has changed Franklin's ability to recognize the pitch and decide whether to swing or not. For the record, I want to see what Guitierrez does for the rest of the season. His average is up, but the XBHs are still hard to come by. Luis Valbuena has 5 less XBHs in a little more than half the ABs.

You can't simultaneously blame the Indians for the handful of guys who left and hit and then not give them credit for the ones who succeeded here. Doesn't work that way. This team has had a terrible 1st half and I am on the wagon for letting him go after the year, but this team has done a solid job of developing young players. You want an example of a terribly coached team? Look at the Pirates for the last decade. The Nats. The Reds. The Rays before Maddon. I could go on. Lots of badly run and coached teams in baseball, the Tribe has not been one of them. Does Wedge need to go? Probably. Does that mean he was a failure here? Not by a longshot, and if he gets let go, he will have another manager's job within a year.
 
DougHeil said:
Yes. Allowing Wedge to be the manager the rest of the year hurts the Indians in the long run in a big way. Oh sure, it may be true the Dolans don't want to pay two managers if he was fired right now, but how does that help the team's future? We know darn well Shapiro has told Wedge he will evaluate him at end of year. Because of this, of course Wedge wants to WIN as many games as possible the rest of the year. The team will play real well now that nothing is on the line. We have a case where the best interests of the team and of the manager/coaches is at exact opposites. NOT good.

The only way I see that our young good prospects get called up in a week or so is if we trade away players like Garko, Shoppach, Carrol, and Peralta. We could get some nice players back for the first three. I'd take a bag of chips for Peralta right now, in spite of his grand slam. I'm sick of players starting to play well when the pressure is off.

Waiting until September is too damn late to call up Marte. We need to find out for sure if he can play MLB or not. Call him up this weekend along with LaPorta and Brantley. I liked Gimenez behind the plate. This kid could be very valuable to us in the future with all the positions he can play well.
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So you're sick of players performing when the pressure is off, but you'll be all for giving Andy Marte another shot because he's performing well under no pressure in AAA.

Don't you think that is a bit hypocritical?
 
They just stated that Marte was being called up tomorrow, but Wedge said he would be playing first base. huh?
 
DougHeil said:
They just stated that Marte was being called up tomorrow, but Wedge said he would be playing first base. huh?
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Where else would he play? First is the only place where there is playing time right now.
 
cmstophe said:
Well, that useless piece of shit Peralta could be benched/traded/thrown in my trunk.
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Honestly, who would want Peralta? I wish we could just release that worthless POS.
 
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