Chris Grant - Cavaliers GM

[KI4MVP]

Because despite your positive attitude towards Grant and his draft picks, it is debatable that he missed on them. Also, I would think drafting is the hardest and most valuable asset a GM can bring to a team.

how many times in the history of the franchise have we acquired (through trade or free agency) a player as good as Luol Deng while he was in his prime? Once or twice? Consider that we gave up less to get him than Paxson gave up for Jiri Welsch.

He also made the trade that even allowed us to draft Kyrie.

 

[mAo_mAo]

Without Kyrie our team looks horrible . That is the only evidence I need to have about his poor drafting.

 

[Cashius X]

I think you need to re-check the definition of fact. I see the team as has having one all star and not much else, especially if Deng walks at the end of the year. We also have a bad head coach with an albatross of a contract.

Kyrie is the star he was referring to. Deng is the all star he was referring to. Promising young players in Zeller, Sergey, Felix, Dion, Bennett, TT. We have cap space. We have many picks in upcoming drafts. We are in Cleveland.

What did he say that can be refuted?

 

[RealKingofCleve]

Kyrie is the star he was referring to. Deng is the all star he was referring to. Promising young players in Zeller, Sergey, Felix, Dion, Bennett, TT. We have cap space. We have many picks in upcoming drafts. We are in Cleveland.

What did he say that can be refuted?

Felix... get real bro. He's never even played a minute. Zeller is trash, Sergey never plays, and Bennett looks the opposite of promising. Those guys have a lot of work to do before I'm going to label them as promising young players. Kyrie is not a star right now, he's an all star, and he isn't even playing at an all star level this year if we're being honest. Dion and TT are solid complimentary pieces, but not much more.

We got a half year of Deng, I think that is a key point you need to understand. He's about to walk or get overpaid, because he's a nice piece but not a difference maker.

And again: Mike Brown with one of the most ridiculous coaching contracts I've ever seen for someone in his position. Kinda goes against Grant's supposed mentality of flexibility, no?

 

[Fuggles]

Realcavsfans.com observation number 2: The Turds show up with a flurry of post after horrible games but are quiet after wins or close games against great teams.

 

[Cashius X]

Felix... get real bro. He's never even played a minute. Zeller is trash, Sergey never plays, and Bennett looks the opposite of promising. Those guys have a lot of work to do before I'm going to label them as promising young players. Kyrie is not a star right now, he's an all star, and he isn't even playing at an all star level this year if we're being honest. Dion and TT are solid complimentary pieces, but not much more.

We got a half year of Deng, I think that is a key point you need to understand. He's about to walk or get overpaid, because he's a nice piece but not a difference maker.

And again: Mike Brown with one of the most ridiculous coaching contracts I've ever seen for someone in his position. Kinda goes against Grant's supposed mentality of flexibility, no?

I'm with you on the Mike Brown hire. Totally inexplicable. But your outlook on our roster is pessimistic. Extremely pessimistic.

Im guessing you're the left...

 

[Huber.]

Realcavsfans.com observation number 2: The Turds show up with a flurry of post after horrible games but are quiet after wins or close games against great teams.

Which leads to:
Realcavsfans.com observation number 3: You can't be critical of the team after a win because then you're just being Debra Downer and you can't be critical of the team after a loss because that makes you a turd.

 

[RealKingofCleve]

I don't think the team is in a horrible position talent wise. I think the biggest flaw is the roster is incompabitble. Your two most crucial pieces don't play well off each other and both need the ball in their hands. You have a serious lack of floor spacing that Bennett was supposed to solve (good luck with that). I'm not going to feel good about a roster with small guards and lack of shooting. I still think its possible Grant could redeem himself, but I don't think its likely.

 

[gourimoko]

Realcavsfans.com observation number 2: The Turds show up with a flurry of post after horrible games but are quiet after wins or close games against great teams.

No need for this.. RealKingofCleve's points are valid, no matter if you agree with him or not. I like both Looney and RealKing, both are solid posters and are adding to the conversation.. Comments like these just clutter it.

You know there's a section of the board where you can't even make comments like this? Ever wonder why?

 

[Cashius X]

I don't think the team is in a horrible position talent wise. I think the biggest flaw is the roster is incompabitble. Your two most crucial pieces don't play well off each other and both need the ball in their hands. You have a serious lack of floor spacing that Bennett was supposed to solve (good luck with that). I'm not going to feel good about a roster with small guards and lack of shooting. I still think its possible Grant could redeem himself, but I don't think its likely.

Chris Grant has said multiple times, if I'm not mistaken, that his plan right now is to accumulate as much talent as he can. He's done that. Next step is to turn said assets into pieces that can play together. At least give him time to execute his plan before you decide to execute him.

And don't act like we've really tried the Kyrie/Dion backcourt experiment. They've only played together in the starting lineup for like under 30 games or something crazy like that.

You're not giving Bennett any time. Yes he has looked like shit. But he still has all the tools that we drafted him before. It's not like his game can't translate to the NBA. He's dominating in practice which is a positive. I'm willing to give him some more time to look like the guy we thought we drafted. And besides what else can you do? Trade him now when his stock is at an all-time low? That's a valid argument to fire a GM...

You don't have to feel good about the current roster. I doubt anyone is. There are some pieces on this team that everyone wants moved. But give Chris Grant time. Let our young guys develop. We'll get better.

 

[RealKingofCleve]

Chris Grant has said multiple times, if I'm not mistaken, that his plan right now is to accumulate as much talent as he can. He's done that. Next step is to turn said assets into pieces that can play together. At least give him time to execute his plan before you decide to execute him.

And don't act like we've really tried the Kyrie/Dion backcourt experiment. They've only played together in the starting lineup for like under 30 games or something crazy like that.

You're not giving Bennett any time. Yes he has looked like shit. But he still has all the tools that we drafted him before. It's not like his game can't translate to the NBA. He's dominating in practice which is a positive. I'm willing to give him some more time to look like the guy we thought we drafted. And besides what else can you do? Trade him now when his stock is at an all-time low? That's a valid argument to fire a GM...

You don't have to feel good about the current roster. I doubt anyone is. There are some pieces on this team that everyone wants moved. But give Chris Grant time. Let our young guys develop. We'll get better.

He hasn't been overly successful at accumulating talent. He's done some good things there, TT and Waiters both have talent, and while I think their ceilings are lower than a lot of people here, they're definitely not scrubs and can play. Outside of top 5 picks, he really hasn't found any way to add talent to this team (besides Deng and that only may be for a half year). Drafting someone in the top 5 is the easiest way to add talent. Where GMs really prove what they're worth is adding talent creatively, when they don't have the luxury of a top draft pick. Look at the top teams in the league, they all have added serious talent outside of high draft picks. Something Grant hasn't shown he has do. Zeller sucks and his FAs have flopped big time.

Again, the talent he has put together doesn't mesh well in my opinion. I'll see if he can make a move or two that gets talented players who do mesh well, but I'm not optimistic about that happening.

 

[flashyshalo]

What are you talking about? When one "considers the draft picks" he has actually done a great job in this rebuild.

Kyrie=Best Pick Available
TT= Good pick. Only 1 or 2 other guys I'd rather have on this team over him from that draft.
Dion= Great pick. Only other player most would rather have is Drummond. Even though we didn't get Drummond we got the next best thing at #4 in Dion who has shown star potential.
Bennett= Questionable. I still like the pick. He has all the tools to be dominant. He has just been mismanaged.

When you throw in the fact that Grant is a master deal maker when it comes to making trades, why would anyone want to get rid of him? I understand that many people have to point a finger of blame whenever things don't go right but honestly Chris Grant isn't the one who should be blamed. Mike Brown is, which brings me to my next point.

Only questionable move Chris Grant has made during his tenure has been the Mike Brown hire. If you think he should be fired because of that then present a case for such, but firing him for "not drafting the right players" is nonsensical. He can't 100% hit on every pick. No one can. Shit happens. But the picks he has made have at least proven they can be major parts of a franchise which is all we can ask for.

I don't understand all the hate this guy gets at all...

#iBelieveinGrant

You living in a bubble....

If presti was our gm I bet we would have taken drummond & klay thompson....

Waiters, Bennett and TT were not great picks since there were better players available.

 

[flashyshalo]

No. It's not even debatable. To "miss" on a draft pick you you have to draft a bust or pass up on a sure-fire star. None of our players are busts and the only "star" we passed up on to date was Drummond in favor of Dion and that argument is a revisionist one at best. All of our young core can be major pieces on a contending team.

The problem with some people on this board is that they expect results now and are oblivious to how young our team is. Moreover, the youngest members on our team are the ones who are under the most pressure to carry this team.

This team will grown. And as it grows we'll incrementally get better. But it takes time.

I don't think you seem to understand...its not because waiters is a poor player....its more to do with the fact that he doesn't fit with kyrie. Two ball dowminat guards just doesn't work full stop. its like having rondo and james harden on one team...it just doesn't fit.
Kyrie and Oladipo is even a better fit imo....Kyrie and Drummond would have been perfect.

 

[flashyshalo]

CG deserves credit for making good trades, but his drafting philosophy has been very questionable. I feel like if the Cavs had any other GM running their team during draft day, they would be in better shape today. What has CG really done that has been special in the draft? Kyrie was the obvious pick at #1 and every GM in the league would have done the same. Tristan gives you nothing special. Dion is an undersized combo guard who doesn't mesh well with your star player...would another GM have went the same route? Doubtful. And Bennett is a joke.

His bennett pick alone is worth firing. Bennett wasn't even rated highly. nobody had him going number 1 in the draft...and i don't see why couldn't have traded down to take him anyway. To take him number 1 was outrageous and his play since has shown that. I have never seen a number 1 pick look this bad, even Kwame Brown wasn't this bad. He won't become anything better than a bench player if he reaches his potential.

It was a weak draft no doubt, but i would have taken Noel or Oladipo and traded one of waiters or oladipo down the line. No team in the NBA would want Bennett in a trade LOL.
Noel is a question mark but i guarantee he will be better than Bennett.

 

[Tornicade]

last nights blowout aside the team is moving forward. Cavs are horrid on the road. they havent shown any consistency on the road as to yet.

things broke down for the cavs last night after the first quarter. outside of a 4th quarter let down against Indiana this was really their first time blown out in about 20 games.

The Cavs cant have Irving,Thompson and Waiters combine to score only 18 points and expect to compete.