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Dion Waiters Traded

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Grade the Trade (Waiters + Kirk/Amundsen + 2nd rd pick for Smith, Shumpert, and 1st rd pick)

  • A+

    Votes: 18 7.1%
  • A

    Votes: 68 26.7%
  • B

    Votes: 106 41.6%
  • C

    Votes: 44 17.3%
  • D

    Votes: 10 3.9%
  • F

    Votes: 9 3.5%

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Re: Welcome Dion Waiters

Also of note was that the big breakthrough for the Pistons seemed to come when they traded the Adrian Dantley for Mark Aguirre. Dantley had been the team's offensive leader in PPG, PER, TS%, etc, and they traded him for Mark Aguirre. More minutes for Rodman and hence better defense and rebounding was just one of the indirect benefits of that deal.

Those Pistons teams were certainly good enough on offense - and that's how a PG should be judged - how well he runs the team as opposed to individual stats ... but where they excelled was on defense.

Not sure how big of a breakthrough it really was for them. There winning percentage during the regular season went up after the trade but they were one Isiah injury in the Finals from winning the title against a very good Lakers team even with Dantley. Rodman would have presumably gotten better as it was only his second season when they lost in the Finals (strange player: didn't even enter the league till he was 25)
 
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Anyways, you have inadvertently touched on one of the concerns with Dion. The Isiah-Dumars duo was originally harped upon to masturbatory levels on this forum when we were discussing Beal's, not Dion's, potential fit next to Kyrie. But is Dion more Vinnie Johnson than Joe Dumars? Again, rhetorical, as it can't be accurately answered at this point. But Dion's role at 'Cuse, the rather on/off scorer's mentality we saw in college and in the very brief look at him we got in the Summer League, and his to-this-point demonstrated need for the ball in his hands to have any sort of impact offensively lend credence to the worry that he's our future 6th man, not starting SG.

Well, I tossed Vinnie in to my comment because I don't think that outcome can be ignored. Was it the goal in drafting, Dion? I don't think so, but I wouldn't put it past CG and gang to consider how a player might fit a role on the team if he doesn't achieve his projected upside.
 
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Feature on Dion from Dime Magazine:

A ROSE THAT GREW FROM CONCRETE

BY BRYAN HOROWITZ

Somehow in the span of one year, Dion Waiters went from a Sixth Man at Syracuse to the No. 4 pick in the 2012 NBA Draft, becoming one of the fastest-rising future stars in the game. But if you knew anything about him, you’d know the Philadelphia product believed in himself all along.

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It was a little past noon on the first Friday in April, about 10 days after Dion Waiters had declared for the NBA Draft. He’d soon head to Las Vegas to work out in the desert heat alongside other draft hopefuls at the Impact Basketball training camp. But for now, he was firmly in his element, working on his game in the city where he’s basically a brand name.

“I like to work out at the Y so the kids can see me,” Dion said as he approached the Christian Street YMCA in his hometown of Philadelphia. “They watch you on television, so it amazes them to see you working out in the same gym they work out at.

“I want to show them, if you put your mind to it, and you set goals, and really dedicate yourself, you can do absolutely anything.”

Waiter’s workout punctuated his words. His game is street poetry – more staccato than smooth, more Beanie Sigel than Jay-Z – and it drove him to average 12.6 points on nearly 48 percent shooting last season for one of the best teams in college basketball. Wearing Syracuse-hued Nike Zoom Kobe VI’s – “hungry” on the left tongue, “humble” on the right – Dion shared the court with a friend, Niagara forward Scooter Gillette. It was pretty standard: come off a curl, pump fake an imaginary defender, then drive the lane or pop a midrange jumper.

And yet, Waiters was visibly in the zone. He practices the way he plays: intense, powerful, like nothing else matters.

“Once a kid has that chip on his shoulder, you can tone it down,” his AAU coach, Aaron Abbott, said during a rare water break. “But we definitely don’t want to take it away.”

At one point, Waiters missed three corner triples and hissed “Come on” under his breath at himself. A group of kids from the Y watched intently as he locked in on his next shot.

He connected on that one, and then hit the next three.

Four. Five.

“People don’t understand the standard of excellence he has for himself,” Chris Clayton, Dion’s friend and longtime mentor, observed from the sidelines. “If he misses two shots in a workout, where most people would just keep it moving, it literally irritates him. When he was younger, if he missed four shots, he might just throw the ball.

“It’s like every shot he takes is supposed to go in.”

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As a kid, Waiters estimates he’d spend “23 of 24 hours” at the playground. It’s hyperbole, but not by much. Dion would consistently hold the court for four or five hours against older players. When he got tired, he’d nap on the bench.

Philly legend has it that out of respect, nobody would go near him while he slept. Oh word, that’s Dion? Leave him alone.

Growing up, Dion actually preferred football to basketball, and also played baseball and soccer. But in what he cites as a key moment, Monique Brown, his mom – Dion calls her “My backbone throughout my entire life” – insisted that he focus only on hoops, which she correctly assessed was his best option.

Dion was naturally gifted, but reaching his goals required a ton of hard work, and all around him was the easy way out – “The streets,” he says with a grim nod. But with no desire to live that lifestyle, Dion passed by the fork in the road and went straight.

“Honestly, if I wasn’t on the court, I was hanging out with my family,” he said. “Just trying to stay out of trouble.”

Waiters’ talent and growing reputation earned him a scholarship to Syracuse before playing a single high school game, but not everything came easy. He bounced around high schools across three states until finally finding a fit at Burlington Life Center in South Jersey. Back home, two of his cousins and his best friend were gunned down. He would lose another cousin in a motorcycle accident several years later.

While dealing with these tragedies, Dion grew determined to honor his lost loved ones with his own success.

“There’s times where you get tired. You get exhausted. And you tell yourself, ‘All right, let’s stop,’” he says. “And right then, you have to think about the people who missed that chance at trying to be something in life, like my best friend and my cousins.

“I know they’re watching over me. And I know they want me to continue doing what I’m doing. If they were here, they’d be pushing me. And that’s one of the reasons I play the way I do.”

South Philly presents a paradox: The neighborhood has caused him much pain, but its courts hardened him into a versatile, explosive scorer and facilitator, and one of the best perimeter defenders in college basketball last season. According to Pomeroy statistics, Waiters finished 15th in the country in steal percentage for Syracuse, which ranked fifth as a team.

Does anyone intimidate him?

“No. Nobody,” Waiters says. “I mean, I’m from Philly, man. Honestly, I don’t think there’s a tougher city than this. Growing up, I saw a lot. At the end of the day, we’re all the same. We all bleed the same. We all breathe the same. So when it comes down to it, I fear no one.”

He’s loyal to South Philly, and eager to help kids in the same situation he once was. He’s already started the DW Foundation, which recently staged a roller skating party – Waiters loves roller skating – to benefit his elementary school.

Still, for someone who’s worked his whole life for a ticket out, Dion Waiters is nonetheless in no rush to leave his past behind.

“I’d probably buy a house down here in the future,” Waiters says. “You know, this is what made me. Philly made me. I think it’s only right that I try and do as much as I can for the community, and the kids, to show them if you have a dream, don’t let nobody tell you different.”

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Dion and his boys spot a familiar face on their walk down South Street to get lunch. “What up, L-Train?” Waiters calls out. Sure enough, another native son, Lionel Simmons – the No. 7 overall pick in 1990 out of La Salle and a veteran of seven years for the Kings – was just hanging on the corner. Waiters took a couple minutes to consult with Simmons, whose path he hopes to follow.

When you walk around with him, you realize that in Philly, everyone knows Dion. If Waiters wanted to run for Mayor, he’d have a shot against Michael Nutter. People in line for a cheesesteak, getting water ices and chatting at outdoor cafes pointed and murmured when he passed, while others called his name from the windows of passing cars.

Surrounded by friends, Waiters ordered a quesadilla at the South Street Diner. The crew – which now included photographer Michael Lewis, doing a documentary on Waiters’ journey – held court for a couple hours talking Air Jordans, the Phillies, Meek Mill and Floyd Mayweather (A month later, Dion would visit Mayweather at his gym and attend his fight against Miguel Cotto.).

They would eventually be joined in the booth by another neighborhood baller, Villanova guard Maalik Wayns, who had also recently declared for the draft.

“It’s a Philly connection, you know?” Waiters said. “Before Syracuse and Villanova, I knew Maalik in seventh grade, before anyone knew he’d blow up and become the person and player he is today. He was chubby back then.”

Dion laughed, then admitted, “And I was chubby too. And we’ve always just had a connection.

“You love to see someone else do good coming from the same circumstances you come from.”

“You know, you can’t believe everything you read,” Waiters said, answering a question I hadn’t asked.

We sat on a landing that stretched out over the Delaware River separating Philly from New Jersey and beyond. He looked over at Maalik, Chris and the rest of his crew, joking around and messing with their phones as we talked.

“People see me sometimes and maybe I’m not smiling, and they form ideas. But they don’t know what I’m thinking about, whether there’s something I’m working through.”

It was well publicized that Dion had issues during his freshman year at Syracuse, and with that came unfounded reports he would transfer. People developed opinions without taking into consideration the personal tragedies still weighing heavily on a teenager’s mind. And virtually nobody knew, except those closest to him, that one of his best friends had come on hard times and lost his home, and that Waiters was doing what he could to help him get back on his feet.

“When he gets quiet or stays to himself, Dion could be thinking about one of his friends who got murdered. He could be thinking about his friend having to live on the street and where he’s going to sleep that night,” Clayton said later. “I honestly think he plays so hard and so passionately because that’s when he has clarity, on the court.”

Waiters’ mom bolstered his confidence during that first difficult year with frequent calls to tell him to stay strong, to “never let anybody win.” His relationship with his father, a strict disciplinarian, grew stronger than ever. The summer after his freshman year, Waiters worked out like a demon, returning in the fall with a completely overhauled body and mentality.

One thing hadn’t changed: Syracuse coach Jim Boeheim insisted on using Waiters as the sixth man, despite being arguably the Orange’s best player. As a freshman, coming off the bench had been difficult to accept. Waiters grew up accustomed to handling his own business, and he never wants to come out of games. But as a sophomore, Dion says, he stopped questioning his coach and let the game come to him. The two bonded. And after the season-ending loss to Ohio St. in the Elite 8, Boeheim personally told Waiters he thought he was ready to go pro.

“It’s just a great feeling, getting ready like this for things you’ve lived your whole life for,” Dion said. “But it doesn’t stop here. This is just the beginning, just another chapter in life. I’m going to continue to work extremely hard at the next level. Because I know sometimes, there are times you have to wait your turn.”

He knows there are people who still don’t know the real Dion, but he’s come to learn to always stay true to himself, both on and off the court, and things will work themselves out.

“I have a really nice smile. I just need to use it more,” Waiters says with a grin.

He pauses for a moment.

“I want to show people you can’t judge a book by its cover until you open it up and read it.”

SOURCE
 
Re: Welcome Dion Waiters

There are a lot of things i like about this kids personality which should translate into a NBA high level basketball player. If he handles his conditioning like he should, the sky should be the limit for him, especially playing alongside Kyrie.

It should be an exciting year!
 
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Great article. It highlights something we're going to have to learn to deal with from Dion. You may not like his facial expression or gestures and think it's poor body language when you watch him on TV, but you don't know what he's saying or the intensity he displays to his teammates through that frustration. He's got the heart of a lion and he's also smarter than his mumbling leads one to believe.

Still haven't waivered on my stance for Dion, and I still think he's a star.
 
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Great article. It highlights something we're going to have to learn to deal with from Dion. You may not like his facial expression or gestures and think it's poor body language when you watch him on TV, but you don't know what he's saying or the intensity he displays to his teammates through that frustration. He's got the heart of a lion and he's also smarter than his mumbling leads one to believe.

Still haven't waivered on my stance for Dion, and I still think he's a star.

I especially loved the last line of the article. It shows you the kid is reflective and bit of a thinker. We all sometimes assume these kids can just come in and talk with the meda and just have no troubles. I know i would've had my fair share of less than able moments in front of camera's around that stage in my life.
 
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I went back to find a comment I made about a month before the draft about Waiters/Dumars/Gilbert to toot my own horn, but this turned out to be better...
Yep. That was weeks before the draft, when Ben said the Cavs were seriously considering an unnamed player, and someone here suggested the cavs promised Dion. I had only seen the Syracuse - OSU game where he was awful, and most national draft people had him being taken 13 by Phoenix. Even during the draft I was very upset we took Dion. After the draft I watched several Syracuse games and am now at peace with the decision. Anyways its in the past and im not one of those 'told you so' people so Im ok with it it.
 
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Only Dion can stop Dion then it seems.
 
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They all say the same shit in the off-season. Means nothing until he gets out there and achieves.
 
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As a guy big on looks and style and attitude... It will eventually click with him. He will be that guy and It might take a year and a half for It to happen. So chill On him for at least this year and somewhat next year because I see that he has that Switch In his head many players have and his attitude and confidence... that Is the key word. It will trigger at some some point. Kyrie Is one of those one In a lifetime Players who do not need to hit that switch It just comes to him... So Kyrie will be a HUGE influence on Dion and It will show as they mesh. Bottom line Dion has this "It" factor over all and everything points to a star player. However we may have to wait a while to see It... Not saying he will become Kobe, however He has that way about him... As he his confidence will carry him through the Tough and bad and he will shine, When? I wish I knew and hope It Is with this team and I think It will be.
 
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As a guy big on looks and style and attitude... It will eventually click with him. He will be that guy and It might take a year and a half for It to happen. So chill On him for at least this year and somewhat next year because I see that he has that Switch In his head many players have and his attitude and confidence... that Is the key word. It will trigger at some some point. Kyrie Is one of those one In a lifetime Players who do not need to hit that switch It just comes to him... So Kyrie will be a HUGE influence on Dion and It will show as they mesh. Bottom line Dion has this "It" factor over all and everything points to a star player. However we may have to wait a while to see It... Not saying he will become Kobe, however He has that way about him... As he his confidence will carry him through the Tough and bad and he will shine, When? I wish I knew and hope It Is with this team and I think It will be.

Hope your right. But would feel better if we signed another 2G until he gets it. I know who we have at 2G but could use a true 2G with some size.
 
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They all say the same shit in the off-season. Means nothing until he gets out there and achieves.

Really? I know of a G.O.A.T. contender that probably could've saved his rep if he let waiters talk for him for a span of a few weeks. Now said player is in permanent timeout.
 
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Really? I know of a G.O.A.T. contender that probably could've saved his rep if he let waiters talk for him for a span of a few weeks. Now said player is in permanent timeout.

I have no idea what this means.
 
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Hope your right. But would feel better if we signed another 2G until he gets it. I know who we have at 2G but could use a true 2G with some size.

Who cares. The Cavs aren't going to be good anyway so it's not like they need an SG at this point who will be more consistent. Assuming Gee signs, we'll have Waiters, Miles, Gibson, and Gee who will all get time at SG. Kyrie will also likely play some SG at different points. I think with most young guys it's good to ease them in a bit to make the transition easier, but I feel the best thing for Dion is to just be thrown into the fire. It's going to be frustrating at times to watch but he'll get it eventually, and when Dion and Kyrie figure out how to play off each other, it's going to be hellish for opposing defenses. Both of these guys have that killer instinct and that drive to be the best.

This is the biggest reason I'm not worried about Dion. He's got the confidence and heart that you simply can't teach. The talent is there. We've at least seen flashes of what he's capable of doing. I love the fact that he shows a lot of emotion on the court. The biggest thing for him as he develops as a player is going to be learning how to channel that emotion into focus and how to use it as a competitive edge rather than letting your emotions overwhelm you and be a detriment to your game. Jordan, Kobe, Wade, Bird, etc. were and are all extremely competitive and emotional players on the court, they just convert emotion into mental toughness and instead of getting frustrated, they impose their will on the competition.

By no means am I trying to say that Dion will ever be on those guys level as a player, but he has every tool needed to be an extremely good SG in this league, possibly an All-Star. Ultimately it's about bringing those tools together and learning how to use them cohesively, but that takes time. With everything I read about Dion and his past, it's rather clear that prior to arriving at Syracuse he had little to no stability or structure in his life, was always the best player on his team, and never dealt with a coach who demanded as much from his players as Boeheim. Obviously he struggled with it his freshman year. Boeheim challenged him. The key is that Waiters took the criticism in stride and responded to the challenge. That's the type of mental toughness you have to have to be a great player in any sport.
 
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