Scott's agent: "agreed to essential terms, details to be worked out"

[kj1]

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Count me in the Shaw camp. Going into this thing, I wanted either a stud head coach or a young assistant who could become one. The reason is obvious. If you look at a list of coaches who have won the NBA championship over the past couple of decades, you're almost exclusively looking at Hall of Fame/Hall of Fame caliber coaches. Rarely do you see these mediocre re-treads go out there and do what at this point in our franchise is a requisite - win the big one.

except doc rivers, ya mean?:chuckles:

look, many of the same things being said about scott now were said about rivers back before ainge gave him the team to win a title. we get the right players and scott could win a title with them. period.

 

[NarlCavs]

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I could live with either but Scott did coach a team to the Finals twice and in both his jobs the team improved after he got there and did worse after he left.

The triangle has been attempted to be implemented by other coaches and has failed every time other than when used by a Phil Jackson coached team.

Shaw is intriguing and I wouldn't have any big problem if he was hired but we shouldn't casually dismiss that Scott has already proven to be a successful coach and he did win championships as a player too.

 

[LNance22]

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I could live with either but Scott did coach a team to the Finals twice and in both his jobs the team improved after he got there and did worse after he left.

The triangle has been attempted to be implemented by other coaches and has failed every time other than when used by a Phil Jackson coached team.

Shaw is intriguing and I wouldn't have any big problem if he was hired but we shouldn't casually dismiss that Scott has already proven to be a successful coach and he did win championships as a player too.

That is my take of the situation as well, I do not have a strong opinion either way and would be fine with Shaw. But you can not discount what Scott has done on the court or the fact that he took a NJ team to finals twice. I am not sure on the reports that he is 'lazy' or loses his team but after reading some of the articles posted by AmherstCavsFan above, given the choice of Pauls analysis or Kidds analysis of a coach.....I go with Paul 99 out of 100 times. Kidd has calmed down over the years but was pretty volatile early in his career and would probably butt heads with just about every coach in the league.

 

[godfather]

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Any coach with tons of titles will have great players. I don't buy that argument against Phil. Red Auerbach had a ton of HOFers, so did Riley.

And to make a point for Phil...only Shaq of his core players have a ring without him. And Shaq got that ring with another one of the alltime great coaches. That should say a lot right there.

He's not just had great players, some of the greatest players to ever play the game. It's pretty hard NOT to win with Pippen and Jordan, or Shaq in his prime and Kobe. He's coached some of the great tandems ever. I think any decent head coach would have at least won a championship with some of those teams.

Phil is great, but for example is he truly greater than say Popovich or Larry Brown? I don't think you can make a definitive case at all, when you compare the teams each coach has had. The Spurs had great teams, but they never were as talented as Phil's teams. Unlike Larry, and Phil, Pop actually stays in one spot. I guarantee Phil wouldn't have 11 rings if he stayed at one place his entire career. Teams and players diminish.

And as for Larry Brown, well, he sure embarrassed Phil in those 04 finals.

 

[johnny]

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Has an NBA team ever won the chip running the Princeton offense? I don't believe so..not that I don't think it's possible.

The Lakers deviate from the triangle very often because it's simply not as necessary in today's NBA. If Shaw were to come here and implement the triangle, I'm sure it wouldn't be as intricate or used as frequently as the classic Phil Jackson teams of the past. I'd imagine we would break away from it regularly to do more simple, typical NBA plays.

I want Shaw, but I don't look at the triangle offense as a huge selling point for him. I don't see trying to implement it as a huge issue either, however.

I can see why Lebron would be "intrigued" by it though, as his game could fit very well in that type of offense and Kobe swears by it.

 

[LNance22]

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One other thing to add, at least both of these canidates have an offensive philosphy (triangle/princeton) which could not be said about our former coach (LeIso??).

 

[sailfish]

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In addition to Shaq, WWW had been pimping Brian Shaw. Regardless of whether they hire Shaw, I wonder if this is a partly an attempt to appease WWW, who has been one of the major players trying to pull LeBron out of Cleveland. Shaw & WWW get some positive publicity out of this, as Shaw is viewed as a finalist for the job.

 

[Splitz]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0t7xV8gXTA

LOL. Dude spits fire. Lets get him.

Is it sad that I used to have this album when I was 13? The funny thing is that the song is far more introspective than most of what you hear on the radio today.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

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In addition to Shaq, WWW had been pimping Brian Shaw. Regardless of whether they hire Shaw, I wonder if this is a partly an attempt to appease WWW, who has been one of the major players trying to pull LeBron out of Cleveland. Shaw & WWW get some positive publicity out of this, as Shaw is viewed as a finalist for the job.

In this case, it would not make any difference.

WWW is not acting in LeBron's interest. We should all know that by now.

 

[Walter White]

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Shaw seems more like a friend/coach. Sure Shaq would want him because they are practically the same age. We need a real coach right now.

 

[Bison11]

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I would not be disappointed in either of these fine gentlemen. I think Shaw can be a good coach, and maybe the triangle has not worked besides phil, but how many times does a Triangle offense runner take over an already pretty sweet team?

 

[johnnycake44022]

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Story on Cleveland.com

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2010/06/brian_shaw_begins_coaching_int.html


Brian Shaw begins coaching interview with Cavaliers; sources say team wants to name a coach by Thursday


CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Cavaliers are in the homestretch of their coaching search. At least, they hope so.

After being granted permission last week and then setting up the plans over the weekend, the Cavs welcomed Los Angeles Lakers assistant coach Brian Shaw to town for what is expected to be a two-day interview on Monday. According to a source, Shaw is planned to be the final candidate to interview in person.

Sources also indicate the Cavs want to have a coach hired by Thursday, when LeBron James will officially enter free agency.

The Cavs have held in-person interviews with a handful of candidates during their month-long search -- including Tom Izzo, who turned the job down, and Byron Scott. The fact that the Cavs have continued their search illustrates the care in which they are taking in the process.

Although Shaw is the last person in, it doesn't necessarily mean he's emerged as the top candidate. There is no doubt the team is intrigued by Shaw and have already done a fair amount of background research before setting up his visit.

But with no previous head coaching experience at any level, Shaw's interview with Cavs General Manager Chris Grant and owner Dan Gilbert will likely hold extra importance.

Especially interesting to the front office will likely be Shaw's views on how the complex triangle offense, which Shaw learned playing for and then coaching with Phil Jackson over the last decade, might work for the Cavs and James. Or how it might not.

However, there's another Jackson element in play. The Lakers' legend is considering retirement and may not give the team an answer until the end of the week. If Jackson steps down, Shaw will be an immediate candidate to take over. So will Scott, who the Cavs have spoken with in depth on at least three occasions.

Balancing the potential of coaching the two-time defending champs or taking over the Cavs' position may become a tough choice for Scott and Shaw. It could mean the Cavs still won't be able to move at their desired timetable.

In an interview with Yahoo! Sports on Monday, Scott said he's interested in the Cavs job and not waiting on Jackson or James.

"I’m not sitting and waiting on Phil Jackson," Scott told Yahoo. "That ain’t me. I’m not waiting on anybody. I would coach there without LeBron. But they got a good shot at getting him back."

This right here I like to hear and appreciate. I think it's Shaw no matter what. Mainly because I think Scott will go to LA if Phil retires ( ownership wants him) or will wait a year. Either way, that still has Shaw in Cleveland out of the two candidates.

I also wouldn't put that much stock into Chris Paul loving Scott and a connection to James staying in Cleveland. Kidd is a good friend of Lebron as well and is the opposite side of the coin.

 

[Randolphkeys]

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Splitz: Why hasn't this "Basketball's Best Kept Secrets" album come up before? It sounds outstandingly bad:

http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/12515

Cedric Ceballos, J.R. Rider, and Chris Mills talking about their own greatness? How haven't I heard of this before?

 

[NYC? NayNayLBJ]

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One other thing to add, at least both of these canidates have an offensive philosphy (triangle/princeton) which could not be said about our former coach (LeIso??).

That was kinda what I was thinking. Triangle, Princeton, Stack, Fist, Finger, Goosey...Who gives a shit? As long as it ain't the "Potato", which, when squeezed, out popped "LeIso".

 

[KU_216]

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Mike learned that offensive system in Idaho! Don't be hatin'.