Star Wars: The Force Awakens teaser #2

[gourimoko]

People have said that Domhall Gleeson is Luke's son, but there are photos of him as an Imperial General. I don't see that happening.

Spoiler

Also, no casting mention of anyone like Mara Jade. Maybe Kylo killed her previously.

There is a new book called Aftermath that comes out in September that is supposed to set up the new movie.

Yeah I think Mara is dead already.

From what I've read, Luke is essentially a hermit in this movie - he's been away for years. So it's not entirely following the EU.

I would imagine if Mara was in the movie's backstory, then there are other Jedi besides Luke and other dark side users as well.

 

[col63onel]

Yeah I think Mara is dead already.

From what I've read, Luke is essentially a hermit in this movie - he's been away for years. So it's not entirely following the EU.

I would imagine if Mara was in the movie's backstory, then there are other Jedi besides Luke and other dark side users as well.

I've heard the "Luke is a hermit" theory too, and I hate it. Luke Skywalker doesn't shirk responsibility. Ever.

 

[theSwayze]

I've heard the "Luke is a hermit" theory too, and I hate it. Luke Skywalker doesn't shirk responsibility. Ever.

Both Yoda and obi wan lived as hermits to fulfill their responsibilities. Just saying...

 

[col63onel]

Both Yoda and obi wan lived as hermits to fulfill their responsibilities. Just saying...

There was also a galactic purge of Jedi at the time.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Both Yoda and obi wan lived as hermits to fulfill their responsibilities. Just saying...

What responsibilities were they fulfilling? Seems to me they were hiding.

You could at least make an argument for Obi-Wan since he was hiding on the same planet as Luke was living on, but Yoda was in BFE.

 

[theSwayze]

What responsibilities were they fulfilling?

I'm going full nerd just for you baby. The SW movies are about a Jedi prophecy that some awesome Jedi would come along and bring "balance to the force". The first 3 movies (2000s) are about Obiwan thinking Anakin is this one that is prophesied about and trying to convince the Jedi of it too. It doesn't work out, all the Jedi are killed. Obiwan sort of sucks at his job. At the end of the third movie (Revenge of the Sith) there are 2 Jedi alive (Yoda, Obiwan) and 2 people with a super super high likelyhood of being seriously Force enabled someday left in the galaxy (newborn Luke and Leia).
There is still this unfulfilled prophesy tho which states that a Jedi will bring balance to the force.
So Yoda goes into exile (his word). Obiwan takes one of the potential Jedi kids to their next of kin on some shitty little planet and spends the next 20 years watching him grow up from afar- waiting too see if he is the one. Bail Organa (Jimmy Smits in the movies) adopts the other lil Jedi and does the same thing on a different planet. As soon as either Skywalker kid showed a gift with the force (or at some point) they were to be taken to Yoda to train them in the ways of the Jedi so the prophesy could be realized. That all went to hell when Leia had to go and join the rebellion, gets caught up in some espionage, gets her Uncle and Aunt killed and winds up thrown in jail. Ultimately she lies to the cops and get her whole planet (and adopted parents) blown up. Teenage girls are the worst.

After the death of Kenobi and the destruction of the death star (1) Ben comes back to Luke as a ghost on Hoth and says what "Get your ass to Dagobah- Yoda is gonna teach you the ways of the force." Now if Yoda is hiding on a planet that hides him from those with the force (yep, thats part of why yoda chose it- Emperor can't sense him there) how could Kenobi know where to send Luke unless this has always been the plan?


tldr,
Answer: The Jedi Prophesy of the Chosen One.

 

[gourimoko]

I've heard the "Luke is a hermit" theory too, and I hate it. Luke Skywalker doesn't shirk responsibility. Ever.

I agree, but I think they're adapting Luke's exile period from the EU and maybe using Mara's death and his failure to stop it as a reason for a self-imposed exile rather than one imposed by the Republic.

 

[gourimoko]

 

[Adam]

I'm going full nerd just for you baby. The SW movies are about a Jedi prophecy that some awesome Jedi would come along and bring "balance to the force". The first 3 movies (2000s) are about Obiwan thinking Anakin is this one that is prophesied about and trying to convince the Jedi of it too. It doesn't work out, all the Jedi are killed. Obiwan sort of sucks at his job. At the end of the third movie (Revenge of the Sith) there are 2 Jedi alive (Yoda, Obiwan) and 2 people with a super super high likelyhood of being seriously Force enabled someday left in the galaxy (newborn Luke and Leia).
There is still this unfulfilled prophesy tho which states that a Jedi will bring balance to the force.
So Yoda goes into exile (his word). Obiwan takes one of the potential Jedi kids to their next of kin on some shitty little planet and spends the next 20 years watching him grow up from afar- waiting too see if he is the one. Bail Organa (Jimmy Smits in the movies) adopts the other lil Jedi and does the same thing on a different planet. As soon as either Skywalker kid showed a gift with the force (or at some point) they were to be taken to Yoda to train them in the ways of the Jedi so the prophesy could be realized. That all went to hell when Leia had to go and join the rebellion, gets caught up in some espionage, gets her Uncle and Aunt killed and winds up thrown in jail. Ultimately she lies to the cops and get her whole planet (and adopted parents) blown up. Teenage girls are the worst.

After the death of Kenobi and the destruction of the death star (1) Ben comes back to Luke as a ghost on Hoth and says what "Get your ass to Dagobah- Yoda is gonna teach you the ways of the force." Now if Yoda is hiding on a planet that hides him from those with the force (yep, thats part of why yoda chose it- Emperor can't sense him there) how could Kenobi know where to send Luke unless this has always been the plan?


tldr,
Answer: The Jedi Prophesy of the Chosen One.

I always thought anakin did bring balance to the force by leaving the universe with 2 jedi and 2 sith. That's balance

 

[col63onel]

I agree, but I think they're adapting Luke's exile period from the EU and maybe using Mara's death and his failure to stop it as a reason for a self-imposed exile rather than one imposed by the Republic.

It certainly does depend on how they handle it.

 

[Kbiz]

That picture's got me sold on bringing the old gang back. Bring on twilight-years Luke, Leia, and Han.

 

[gourimoko]

I always thought anakin did bring balance to the force by leaving the universe with 2 jedi and 2 sith. That's balance

Exactly.

He brings balance to the Force by wiping out the Jedi and essentially destroying the Sith (including himself).

He is the Chosen One, and the Jedi simply "misread" the prophesy, thinking that balance meant a golden age of Jedi, rather than a true balance between light and dark.

The idea was based on the Taoist belief of Dynamic Balance and Cyclical Change.

The Chosen One would stop the cycle of change (for a time), and bring peace through balance.

 

[Coyote850]

I always thought anakin did bring balance to the force by leaving the universe with 2 jedi and 2 sith. That's balance

Balance in numbers does not always equate into balance in power.

 

[Adam]

Exactly.

He brings balance to the Force by wiping out the Jedi and essentially destroying the Sith (including himself).

He is the Chosen One, and the Jedi simply "misread" the prophesy, thinking that balance meant a golden age of Jedi, rather than a true balance between light and dark.

The idea was based on the Taoist belief of Dynamic Balance and Cyclical Change.

The Chosen One would stop the cycle of change (for a time), and bring peace through balance.

So if luke is the last jedi at the end of epVI then for the prophecy to continue he would be essential a blend of the light and the dark side, which in the old cannon made the shadow of the empire arch make sense. amirit?

I get why disney said the EU is not cannon (just too much to deal with) but i hope they do mine ideas from it as there are great stories to tell there

 

[gourimoko]

So if luke is the last jedi at the end of epVI then for the prophecy to continue he would be essential a blend of the light and the dark side, which in the old cannon made the shadow of the empire arch make sense. amirit?

Perhaps.

Luke wasn't a benevolent Jedi like Obi-Wan; you might even say, he wasn't really a Jedi at all.

The Jedi Order of the Old Republic dies with Anakin Skywalker, who is the last of the Old Order.

Luke establishes the New Order, with completely different rules and that is not an organization essentially resembling a priesthood. Adult padawans, marriage and sexuality, all things forbidden by the Old Order's Jedi Code but permissible under the New Order.

I get why disney said the EU is not cannon (just too much to deal with) but i hope they do mine ideas from it as there are great stories to tell there

I'm pretty sure they stated it was non-cannon solely for the purposes of reusing the stories without people already knowing the outcomes. It gave them carte blanche license to retcon the shit out of the EU, recycling the stories, without hearing fans scream about their Star Wars continuity being fucked with.

Essentially, all of that stuff doesn't exist -- until we use it in a movie.