Trade Deadline Thread

[Steve_424]

Losing a series to the A's who were 10+ under doesn't help.

If we go into the deadline close to 10 under then why not trade Raburn, Perez, Scrabble, Aviles, Murphy...

No way they trade Aviles with everything going on with his daughter. Aside from that, the Indians love him as a player. I think he'll re-sign and remain as a utility player next year and beyond.

The most likely candidates to get moved are Jose Ramirez, Lonnie Chisenhall, and lower level prospects like Clint Frazier (would have to be a very good deal for him to be included). Unless Lonnie can make RF work, he's done as a starter here. Ramirez could play for other teams, but he won't for the Indians unless Kipnis, Lindor, or Aviles gets hurt.

I agree with b00bie - a reliever under team control is the way to go. I'd also have interest in a young, ML-ready outfielder who could take over next year when Raburn and/or Murphy are gone. There's also the possibility of a Bourn DFA. but I don't see that happening. Unless they can find a huge upgrade at 3B (Beltre?) I doubt they replace Urshela. They won't trade Raburn or Murphy unless they really fall out of it.

I know this will tick off many fans, especially the "DOLANZ ARE CHEEP" crowd, but I'd expect a pretty quiet deadline.

 

[EdMonix11]

Might need a lefty reliever unless we roll with Crockett and Scrabble the rest of the way.

Hagadone really fucked up his elbow in his rehab start in Youngstown. Heard he might've broken a bone in the elbow.

 

[Scrote Squad]

Santana is never catching again, Aguilar will have no bearing on Perez being expendable.

Also, Aguilar probably isn't in the plans.

What's your take on Santana? I'm not an advanced baseball stats guy, but outside of his ability to draw walks, does he have any upside left? I'm tired of watching him K 100 times every year, lead the league in big swing popups and hit .230. Am I, as the average baseball fan, missing something?

 

[Steve_424]

I think reliever is probably the most realistic acquisition. One team to keep an eye on is San Diego. As illustrated in this Grantland piece, they are really hurting at shortstop, currently starting Clint Barmes. They might be a fit for Jose Ramirez should the Indians choose to move him. I'd also keep an eye on Boston, who might be in sell mode soon.

 

[Steve_424]

What's your take on Santana? I'm not an advanced baseball stats guy, but outside of his ability to draw walks, does he have any upside left? I'm tired of watching him K 100 times every year, lead the league in big swing popups and hit .230. Am I, as the average baseball fan, missing something?

I know this wasn't directed at me but I think the biggest worry with Carlos is his decline in power. His slugging percentage is a career low of .382. He's always going to strike out a lot but he'll also get on base quite a bit with how much he walks. He's locked in until 2017 and, given the issues the Indians have on offense, I can't see him going anywhere, at least this year.

 

[AZ_]

What's your take on Santana? I'm not an advanced baseball stats guy, but outside of his ability to draw walks, does he have any upside left? I'm tired of watching him K 100 times every year, lead the league in big swing popups and hit .230. Am I, as the average baseball fan, missing something?

Backing up what sgm said, it's the decline in power more than anything.

People love to focus on the things he can't do, but what he has been is a consistent performer over the last few years. This year is quite a decline, but time will tell if it's the out-liar or the new normal.

 

[Nom]

Weird Santana splits -

As LHB career SLG - .433 / 2015 - .454

As RHB career SLG - .441 / 2015 - .255

So his lack of power this year is exclusively vs Lefties.

I sort of wonder if he's hurt.

 

[macbdog]

Weird Santana splits -

As LHB career SLG - .433 / 2015 - .454

As RHB career SLG - .441 / 2015 - .255

So his lack of power this year is exclusively vs Lefties.

I sort of wonder if he's hurt.

Irrelevant. Trade him now.

 

[Stark]

I saw a stat that out of everybody in baseball, Carlos Santana hits the ball the 14th hardest out of anybody in the league, which led the club. Not sure if that means anything, but when he is making contact, it's damn solid.

 

[Simon]

 

[Steve_424]

Neither one is coming here.

 

[EdMonix11]

Problem with the Indians is that they're just stuck with what they have right now. The left side of the infield are two young building blocks, though I'm not quite sold on Urshela quite yet, so you're probably not upgrading over either of them at this time. Kipnis is an all star. Santana's contract makes him too valuable to the Indians to move, same with Gomes at C. The RF-platoon has been productive enough that it doesn't make sense to sell them off for peanuts. Brantley is still Brantley but injured. That leaves Bourn and CF but I don't think they'll bench a guy making that much money.....

 

[Real Deal]

Fuck the Dolans.

 

[The Oi]

This is GM and scouting's fault. You can't draft such mediocre to crappy players for that long and not suffer the consequences, especially when you're small market.

 

[Real Deal]

This is GM and scouting's fault. You can't draft such mediocre to crappy players for that long and not suffer the consequences, especially when you're small market.

Pretty much. 2 playoff appearances in 14 years, massive failure. Such failure where every seat should be wiped clean and start fresh type of failure.