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What Resolves First?

  • Collin Sexton's Restricted Free Agency

    Votes: 19 38.8%

  • Baker Mayfield's Tenure with the Browns

    Votes: 30 61.2%
  • Total voters
    49
  • Poll closed .
Sexton already plays a significant number of minutes with backups. He's usually the first starter subbed out mid-first quarter and is back in with four backups late in the first through the middle of the second quarters.
 
Sexton's stats are so much better than Gordon's first few years in Chicago. Both Sexton and Garland's first instinct is to score. Drafting a big playmaking wing in this next draft could potentially solve alot of issues.
 
Their bench was atrocious last night which is why the +/- is such a deceiving stat. So much of that depends on who is on the court with you. Heck I remember scrubby Sasha Pavlovic used to always have a positive +/- when he was starting alongside Lebron.
 
Look guys, we won't be debating about sexton in this thread if okoro is taller so he can easily slot in the 3 or is offensively better so he can be a big 2.

As it is , you guys are asking our best player to sacrifice so okoro and garland will look good.
 
ryanf said:
Look guys, we won't be debating about sexton in this thread if okoro is taller so he can easily slot in the 3 or is offensively better so he can be a big 2.

As it is , you guys are asking our best player to sacrifice so okoro and garland will look good.
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I think Okoro and Garland do look good. I'd be focused on building around those two and Allen primarily.

When Collin is deferring and playing off the ball the entire offense is better. It's not an accident. This is more "in general" than particular to the Golden State loss.
 
RchfldCavRaised said:
He's shown some really good development in his approach to the game "off-the-ball" in the most recent games before this 2 games lost.

Since the losing streak right after the ASB, I've been encouraged by his approach to the game on offense. More letting the ball find him and very good movement, spacing and passing when it does find him.

I'm hoping he goes back to how he was approaching the game recently when we play Chicago
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Yet he still only had 2 assists in 34 minutes. last night

Playing him off the ball will help offset his ball dominant tendencies, but his lack of court vision/awareness and inability to function in a team oriented offense are still a huge question marks.
 
Young players will always revert back to comfortable tendencies when challenged. Collin had better off the ball movement before the mini-injury, but reverted back to his comfort zone in his first game back.

What Collin has shown us again and again is his willingness and ability to improve on his weaknesses. I really believe that his off the ball future is very bright and will eventually become habit for him, which is an exciting prospect...We've already had a taste of how hard our two dynamic guards are to cover when they are both playing their proper roles.
 
ryanf said:
Look guys, we won't be debating about sexton in this thread if okoro is taller so he can easily slot in the 3 or is offensively better so he can be a big 2.

As it is , you guys are asking our best player to sacrifice so okoro and garland will look good.
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In this particular instance, the reason people are talking about benching Sexton is that Okoro is the new shiny toy, but they don't think he can play the 3. They want to slide him to the backcourt, and benching Sexton is the way to make that happen because neither Sexton nor Okoro is a capable PG.

Now, it has been talked about in the past that it makes sense to stagger Garland and Sexton, not necessarily to make either one look better, but to make the team look better. Whether you want to start Delly and bring Garland in to play the last 16 minutes of each half, or whether you want to find a capable SG to do the same deal with Sexton, I think it would be beneficial to the team.
 
Making things worse is that Garland's first instinct is to be a scoring guard relying way too often on difficult floaters instead of looking for his teammates for open 3's in the corner. Garland's playmaking is ahead of Sexton's but these are both waterbug score first guards at their cores tbh.
 
Littaguy714 said:
Yet he still only had 2 assists in 34 minutes. last night

Playing him off the ball will help offset his ball dominant tendencies, but his lack of court vision/awareness and inability to function in a team oriented offense are still a huge question marks.
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I agree with you in the macro of the whole game, however, here is a little microcosm of how stats dont always tell the story of game flow.

I'm rewatching the game right now, and in that last 3-4 mins of the first quarter, Sexton scored maybe 7 of his 14 points in the quarter. The lineup out there with him was Delly, Sexton, Prince, Love, Hartenstein.

Same lineup started the second quarter and Collin adjusts on his first drive when the defense converges. He does a Garland-like drive and dish when the Warriors converged and found Delly WIDE open in the corner (like open enough to count to 5) but Delly decides to hockey assist to Love near the top of the key who has Looney within closeout range and misses when Looney does just that. Thats a shot Delly should take if for no other reason than to encourage Sexton to keep making the right basketball play.

That's not indicative of the whole night, but just a little devil's advocacy for end of the night stats not showing a potential assist to determine how guys are approaching the game.
 
Sexton’s lack of vision (because he does only see the hoop at times) and undersized defense still proves he's not starter worthy on a contending team, and this team will be never be entering a contending stage with plans of starting Garland and Sexton. Sure he'll go get you 30 points, but -30 will come along with it.

He has all the tools to be an unbelievable 6th man. Score, score, score, attempt defense, barely pass.
 
daddywags said:
Thanks. I looked over the ESPN play by play and didn't see him subbed out.
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Basketball-reference.com is great for breaking down games. Click on scores and you get the prior days games. There is a place you can select stats by half or quarter.

Stats have limits though. Okoro stick close to Curry on the perimeter and annoyed him most of the game. Curry never did get his three point shooting on track but he found other ways to score. None of that is evident from stats.
 
daddywags said:
Folks seem to fixate on plus-minus numbers to guage how certain players performed in a given game. I think raw +/- stats are useless because there are too many factors ignored. "Real Plus-Minus" attempts to take into account other players on the floor for both teams and other factors. From ESPN, there are 513 players ranked in Real +/-. LeBron is 1, Steph is 2, etc. For the Cavs it's:

Love - 31; Allen - 75; Wade - 163; Nance - 183; Sexton - 218; Osman - 257; Prince - 265; Delly - 269; Hartenstein - 290; Garland - 334; Windler - 429; Okoro - 434; and Stevens - 494.

I think part of the perception problem for Sexton is that he's usually taken out mid-1st quarter and then subbed back in with 4 bench guys to finish the 1st quarter and start the 2nd. If the bench guys are not playing well nobody is a threat to score much less get his own shot besides Sexton. People want him to come off the bench but our problem isn't him starting. For instance, last night when he left the game with 5-1/2 minutes to go in the first quarter we were ahead 21-14. He had just made 2 free throws and then assisted a basket by Allen. He came back in with 3 minutes and change left and from then into the second quarter he played with backups. Inexplicably, he played the entire second quarter. We lost that quarter by 14 points. Sexton took one shot and made it. Garland took 10 shots in 9 minutes and made 4 of them. Yesterday the problem wasn't Sexton starting or Sexton dominating the ball.
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All comes down to coaching,I don't understand, why JB continues to play Sexton with the bench.

Nance and Dellavedova isn't a scoring threat.Teams leave those two wide open because they know they're going to miss.And,you never know what you gonna get from Hartenstein and Prince,mostly with Prince...JB makes no adjustments to the lineup and when he does it's too late..

Wade should be with Sexton atleast he's a scoring threat.

What's up with Dellavedova's shot?
 
Real Deal said:
Sexton’s lack of vision (because he does only see the hoop at times) and undersized defense still proves he's not starter worthy on a contending team, and this team will be never be entering a contending stage with plans of starting Garland and Sexton. Sure he'll go get you 30 points, but -30 will come along with it.

He has all the tools to be an unbelievable 6th man. Score, score, score, attempt defense, barely pass.
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If he was a starter on a contending team - use Philly as an example - he wouldn’t be -30 because he’d be playing with much better teammates.

Painting Sexton as somehow responsible for being outscored by 30 is unfair. Sexton had a good game - 30 points on 19 shots, 4 rebounds, 2 assists, zero turnovers. He’s not a distributor or defensive star but he is an elite scorer on a team with few scoring options.

The main problem yesterday was that our front court was completely outplayed by the Warriors and we gave up too many buckets on easy layups right down the lane. We also lost a lot of rebounds because we were not aggressive going to the ball and they were. Protecting the lane and grabbing rebounds is not Sexton’s job.
 
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