2021 NBA Draft Safari

Well that's out of the way at least

kriegs said:

Well that's out of the way at least

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Jeremy Woo of SI said Green is a lock for Houston. It's starting with Cavaliers who should just take Mobley and run.

kriegs said:

Well that's out of the way at least

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THANKFUL!!!

This is the best news all day

I guess he got a call from upstairs lol

sailfish said:

I like Mobley's size & skillset. It remains to be seen if he can add weight to his frame and how he will fit with Jarrett Allen.

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My concern with Mobley is fit - does what he does well fit with what the rest of the team does well? We are about to commit a lot of money and years to Allen who can't shoot and struggles on the perimeter when he gets switched. Mobley is not currently a strong shooter and I'm concerned about his lateral movement on the perimeter. How do you play them together in meaningful games if both are liabilities in the p & r and both need to be near the rim to score? This becomes an even bigger issue if we retain Sexton and Okoro never becomes a reliable 3 point shooter. If Mobley becomes a versatile scorer and defender then he's awesome. If not - how does it fit together?

Secondary concern - how long does he take to develop? We've given tons of minutes to our first pick for three straight years. It has resulted in each one's individual development but terrible basketball. Is this year 4 of the same pattern? I'm getting a little weary of "lets develop the young guys for the future " but the future is always just a few more years away.

I think he's probably the best pick, but I'm not nearly as excited as everyone else seems to be.

Dr No said:

My concern with Mobley is fit - does what he does well fit with what the rest of the team does well? We are about to commit a lot of money and years to Allen who can't shoot and struggles on the perimeter when he gets switched. Mobley is not currently a strong shooter and I'm concerned about his lateral movement on the perimeter. How do you play them together in meaningful games if both are liabilities in the p & r and both need to be near the rim to score? This becomes an even bigger issue if we retain Sexton and Okoro never becomes a reliable 3 point shooter. If Mobley becomes a versatile scorer and defender then he's awesome. If not - how does it fit together?

Secondary concern - how long does he take to develop? We've given tons of minutes to our first pick for three straight years. It has resulted in each one's individual development but terrible basketball. Is this year 4 of the same pattern? I'm getting a little weary of "lets develop the young guys for the future " but the future is always just a few more years away.

I think he's probably the best pick, but I'm not nearly as excited as everyone else seems to be.

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First , the team doesn't have a identity offensively.The Cavs doesn't have to move anyone right away.They do need the HC to develope a offensive scheme.
Most big men take time to develope.You do have to give them some years to get stronger and hone their game. All of these guys in this draft have warts.

But specifically I keep trying to figure out how Altman wants to build the team the team..what does he want ,pieces that have talent but not cohesive? He has yet to get a SF who is a straight mismatch for other teams.

Dr No said:

My concern with Mobley is fit - does what he does well fit with what the rest of the team does well? We are about to commit a lot of money and years to Allen who can't shoot and struggles on the perimeter when he gets switched.

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I don’t think Allen struggles on the perimeter.

Dr No said:

Mobley is not currently a strong shooter and I'm concerned about his lateral movement on the perimeter. How do you play them together in meaningful games if both are liabilities in the p & r and both need to be near the rim to score?

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Neither is a liability on the perimeter and Mobley has excellent lateral quickness. Mobley is also fully capable of creating offense from 15 feet and out.

Granted, there may be times when Allen might need to sit in crunch time, but at his assumed cost, that’s not a big deal. I know it’s tough to comprehend the steep change in contracts, but $20M/year is high-level role player money these days.

Dr No said:

This becomes an even bigger issue if we retain Sexton and Okoro never becomes a reliable 3 point shooter.

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That would be an indictment on Sexton/Okoro, not Mobley. Also, it seems as if Sexton’s departure from Cleveland is a matter of “when” not “if” anymore.

Dr No said:

If Mobley becomes a versatile scorer and defender then he's awesome. If not - how does it fit together?

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Yeah, if he busts, it won’t work. I’m betting on him not being a bust.

Dr No said:

Secondary concern - how long does he take to develop? We've given tons of minutes to our first pick for three straight years. It has resulted in each one's individual development but terrible basketball. Is this year 4 of the same pattern? I'm getting a little weary of "lets develop the young guys for the future " but the future is always just a few more years away.

I think he's probably the best pick, but I'm not nearly as excited as everyone else seems to be.

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I believe Mobley is more ready to step in and be a positive impact player than any of our previous picks due to his defensive abilities.

Dr No said:

Mobley is not currently a strong shooter and I'm concerned about his lateral movement on the perimeter. How do you play them together in meaningful games if both are liabilities in the p & r and both need to be near the rim to score?

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A guy that can shoot this smoothly and effortlessly is going to be fine once the team makes it a priority.

The last clip is honestly all I need to see. He's so confident in his stroke that he's kicking the ball out when he is cut off on the block, relocating to the corner and calmly knocking down a shot.

A guy that doesn't believe he is (or will ever be a shooter) is just not making that read, at all.

I personally think he and Allen are a really nice mesh of skills.

I don't feel like grave digging the long explanation but "shooting potential" was one of the things I was working on one summer, in trying to project various positions and how their shooting outcomes might be predicted. To give the simplest explanation......it is a mix of 3PA, FTA, FT% that baselines positions against each other.

A lot of mixed results for guards and wings but big men......it was really promising. It was near predictive, which is wild relative to it being just a completely blind statistical look at someone.

A good example is someone like Trey Lyles. He was a 14% 3PT shooter in college.......but this calculation flagged him as someone who had a rather positive shooting future. He's been streakier......but still a career 34% 3PT shooter.....something I'm not sure many might have believed exiting college. He's had multiple years where he's shot it in the high 30's.

Why do I bring up Lyles? Because it sees Mobley as having an equally promising future as a shooter (SHOP):



Imagining Mobley as even a 34% 3PT shooter is imagining a potentially elite offensive big man. Bosh 2.0.

So if there is even a likelihood he can be that good, his offensive ceiling is just exceptionally high, given his passing and scoring touch around the basket.

RchfldCavRaised said:

Respectfully, I feel like this Tony guy's opinions are not worthy of this thread

We've been doing some damn good work in here all season, I come in here to catch up on 30 new posts, and they're all about refuting this random local radio dude who I've never heard of, who has these late contrarian opinions in the last two minutes of the 4th quarter...

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Best comp coming out of college for Mobley?

I am not saying this for hope, but I see Anthony Davis. The size, athletic, handles and passing for a big. AD was a better shot blocker, actually insane shot blocker in college, but coming out Mobley is the better shooter. AD was a bit shorter, but had a bit of longer arms, so standing reach should be about the same, but really no data on that.

I am not saying Mobley becomes as good as Davis, but he has that type of potential.

I'mWithDan said:

I don't feel like grave digging the long explanation but "shooting potential" was one of the things I was working on one summer, in trying to project various positions and how their shooting outcomes might be predicted. To give the simplest explanation......it is a mix of 3PA, FTA, FT% that baselines positions against each other.

A lot of mixed results for guards and wings but big men......it was really promising. It was near predictive, which is wild relative to it being just a completely blind statistical look at someone.

A good example is someone like Trey Lyles. He was a 14% 3PT shooter in college.......but this calculation flagged him as someone who had a rather positive shooting future. He's been streakier......but still a career 34% 3PT shooter.....something I'm not sure many might have believed exiting college. He's had multiple years where he's shot it in the high 30's.

Why do I bring up Lyles? Because it sees Mobley as having an equally promising future as a shooter (SHOP):

Imagining Mobley as even a 34% 3PT shooter is imagining a potentially elite offensive big man. Bosh 2.0.

So if there is even a likelihood he can be that good, his offensive ceiling is just exceptionally high, given his passing and scoring touch around the basket.

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Could you do a little ranking of recent 1st round PF/C types? Say...

Okongwu
Jalen Smith
Stewart
Achiuwa
Nnaji

Zion
Hayes
Washington
Bitadze
Clarke
Kabengele

Ayton
Bagley
JJJ
Bamba
Carter Jr.
Mo Wagner

EDIT: By projected shooting of course, not overall

Nathan S said:

My model actually doesn't like Duarte much at all. The combination of low free throw rate, low offensive rebound rate, and low foul rate suggests that he lacks physicality, which is an issue because he's already a bit undersized compared to typical 3&D prospects at 6'6" 190 with a 6'7" wingspan and middling athleticism.

Still better than Kispert though.

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Someone suggested we move back to 6, pick up an extra pick, and take Kispert. Even with my Reddish debacle I know that is dumb, lol.

I like Kispert, I think he can fill a role...but mid 1st, not even late lottery, and i bet a team takes him late lottery.

Lee said:

Someone suggested we move back to 6, pick up an extra pick, and take Kispert. Even with my Reddish debacle I know that is dumb, lol.

I like Kispert, I think he can fill a role...but mid 1st, not even late lottery, and i bet a team takes him late lottery.

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At least Reddish hypothetically has the tools to be a good, versatile wing defender...Duarte and Kispert are gonna be iffy at best against NBA athletes IMO.

I'mWithDan said:

A guy that can shoot this smoothly and effortlessly is going to be fine once the team makes it a priority.

The last clip is honestly all I need to see. He's so confident in his stroke that he's kicking the ball out when he is cut off on the block, relocating to the corner and calmly knocking down a shot.

A guy that doesn't believe he is (or will ever be a shooter) is just not making that read, at all.

I personally think he and Allen are a really nice mesh of skills.

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Plus, no change in team colors will be a big help in speeding his adjustment to the NBA.