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2023 Offseason Potential Targets (FA and Trades)

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Jscc said:
This team needs shooting more than anything else. So, someone more knowledgeable than me please correct me if any of the following are impossible:

- Renounce/waive everyone except LeVert's Bird Rights [i'm not sure how this part works].
- Out-right sign Josh Richardson/Dario Saric enough to stay under the cap
- Re-sign LeVert with Bird Rights to go over the cap [but not to the Apron]
- Use the full mid-level exception to sign the other of Richardson/Saric
- Use the bi-annual to get another vet shooter like Seth Curry or a big bodied garbage man big that can eat minutes? Or bring over Diop? Or use Okoro to get one like a Mo Bamba?

That would give us:

DG, Rubio, Curry?
Mitchell, Richardson
Wade, LeVert, Okoro?
Mobley, Saric
JA, garbage man big/bring over Diop?/swap Okoro for a Mo Bamba big?

I'm not as concerned about the SF position as I am shooting. So i'm stacking the bench with shooters. DG, Curry, Richardson, Wade, LeVert, and Saric gives us decent shooting/spacing. Dangle Okoro, JA, and picks at the trade deadline for a wing if the opportunity presents itself.
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A lot going on here, but any plan that still has Dean Wade as one of the top two options at SF is not a good plan. On basically any other good playoff team he’s 9-10 in the rotation at best.
 
I wonder if Atlanta would package Hunter and the 16 for the 3. There does not seem a big drop off hunter to Bey, and Griffin had a really strong rookie campaign. Simmons would be a deep bench guy, but could allow them to move off Trae if he does not right the ship. Not sure it makes sense for hawks Scooter would make sense if they decide to ditch Trae, and they could probably get a haul for Trae. They really need a Big, but there seems the top rated bigs are relatively small, and are not projected to go until fifth.

seems more likely the hawks would do this in the context of a larger deal though..

In another thought line, I am wondering if they would swap us Bey for Allen. Still leaves us shy on the big side.
 
CleveRocks said:
I wonder if Atlanta would package Hunter and the 16 for the 3. There does not seem a big drop off hunter to Bey, and Griffin had a really strong rookie campaign. Simmons would be a deep bench guy, but could allow them to move off Trae if he does not right the ship. Not sure it makes sense for hawks Scooter would make sense if they decide to ditch Trae, and they could probably get a haul for Trae. They really need a Big, but there seems the top rated bigs are relatively small, and are not projected to go until fifth.

seems more likely the hawks would do this in the context of a larger deal though..

In another thought line, I am wondering if they would swap us Bey for Allen. Still leaves us shy on the big side.
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I certainly wouldn’t classify Hunter as an ‘elite’ small forward.

They’d have to give us a lot more than Bey for Allen. Trading for Allen also makes little sense when they already have Capela and Okongwu.
 
CleveRocks said:
I wonder if Atlanta would package Hunter and the 16 for the 3. There does not seem a big drop off hunter to Bey, and Griffin had a really strong rookie campaign. Simmons would be a deep bench guy, but could allow them to move off Trae if he does not right the ship. Not sure it makes sense for hawks Scooter would make sense if they decide to ditch Trae, and they could probably get a haul for Trae. They really need a Big, but there seems the top rated bigs are relatively small, and are not projected to go until fifth.

seems more likely the hawks would do this in the context of a larger deal though..

In another thought line, I am wondering if they would swap us Bey for Allen. Still leaves us shy on the big side.
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You might as well trade Garland for Bertans. Bey is bad
 
Bob_The_Cat said:
A lot going on here, but any plan that still has Dean Wade as one of the top two options at SF is not a good plan. On basically any other good playoff team he’s 9-10 in the rotation at best.
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Have to use what we got. They signed him long-term and we need shooting.
 
DG, Mitchell, Wade, Rubio, Mobley, JA = $116,321,684

- renounce/waive everyone else
- 134,000,000 - 116,321,684 = $17,678,316
- re-sign LeVert for $14,815,630 per year [KCP's current salary level]
- sign Seth Curry for the veteran minimum [$2,862,686]
- Sign Josh Richardson for the full MLE [$11,368,000 or whatever his market is as long as it's the MLE or below]
- Trade Okoro for Mo Bamba
- Bring over Diop

DG [shooter], Rubio, Curry [shooter]
Mitchell [shooter], Richardson [shooter]
Wade [semi-shooter], LeVert [semi-shooter]
Mobley, Bamba [shooter/spacer]
JA, Diop

All of the shooting is taken care of. The payroll would be ~$155,668,000, which is under the apron and leaves them the bi-annual exception and whatever picks they have to fix the starting SF position. Until then, Wade and LeVert will have to suffice.
 
NMCav said:
Clarkson doesn't help the team at all. And would be a terrible fit off the bench with LeVert neither are knock down shooters and both get tunnel vision. Why would Nets trade ONeale to us for 2 pick swaps when we are better then them?
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I have hang ups about Clarkson but the guy can get buckets. Not saying he’s on my top list for the offseason but I wouldn’t snub my nose at players who can score in a variety of ways.

But with Garland, Mitchell, Rubio, LeVert, and Clarkson, you just have too many guys who are more comfortable in ball than off ball.

Would like to add two guys who excel off ball.
 
Jscc said:
DG, Mitchell, Wade, Rubio, Mobley, JA = $116,321,684

- renounce/waive everyone else
- 134,000,000 - 116,321,684 = $17,678,316
- re-sign LeVert for $14,815,630 per year [KCP's current salary level]
- sign Seth Curry for the veteran minimum [$2,862,686]
- Sign Josh Richardson for the full MLE [$11,368,000 or whatever his market is as long as it's the MLE or below]
- Trade Okoro for Mo Bamba
- Bring over Diop

DG [shooter], Rubio, Curry [shooter]
Mitchell [shooter], Richardson [shooter]
Wade [semi-shooter], LeVert [semi-shooter]
Mobley, Bamba [shooter/spacer]
JA, Diop

All of the shooting is taken care of. The payroll would be ~$155,668,000, which is under the apron and leaves them the bi-annual exception and whatever picks they have to fix the starting SF position. Until then, Wade and LeVert will have to suffice.
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Unless something changed, teams under the cap dont get the MLE and LLE to use.
 
adam81king said:
Unless something changed, teams under the cap dont get the MLE and LLE to use.
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I expect re-signing LeVert will put them over the cap but under the apron, which gives them the non-taxpaying MLE and BAE.
 
Jscc said:
I expect re-signing LeVert will put them over the cap but under the apron, which gives them the non-taxpaying MLE and BAE.
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But if they're waiving/renouncing everyone to get cap space, you're then a cap team. I haven't paid close attention in a few years, so there may be machinations available, but I know there's been a choice a team can make to create room and be a cap team, or an exception team. Teams have/had looked at how much cap space they could create vs how much they could spend with exceptions and let that be their deciding factor on waiving/renouncing vs letting market set price on their free agents.

ETA: I just looked it up and there *is* a mid-level exception for teams that are under the cap. However, this season it was for just over $5M. It's not nothing, but also not what you'd get a quality FA with. Source: https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/...ams may only use one,cap space on free agents.
 
adam81king said:
But if they're waiving/renouncing everyone to get cap space, you're then a cap team. I haven't paid close attention in a few years, so there may be machinations available, but I know there's been a choice a team can make to create room and be a cap team, or an exception team. Teams have/had looked at how much cap space they could create vs how much they could spend with exceptions and let that be their deciding factor on waiving/renouncing vs letting market set price on their free agents.

ETA: I just looked it up and there *is* a mid-level exception for teams that are under the cap. However, this season it was for just over $5M. It's not nothing, but also not what you'd get a quality FA with. Source: https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/...ams may only use one,cap space on free agents.
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If DG, Mitchell, Wade, Rubio, Mobley, and JA = $116,321,684

And they have roughly $134,000,000 - $116,321,684 = $17,678,316 left over. Does using LeVert's Bird Rights to go over that and re-sign him not make the Cavs an exception team?
 
Jscc said:
If DG, Mitchell, Wade, Rubio, Mobley, and JA = $116,321,684

And they have roughly $134,000,000 - $116,321,684 = $17,678,316 left over. Does using LeVert's Bird Rights to go over that and re-sign him not make the Cavs an exception team?
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Yes, unless they renounce LeVerts rights(and then lose his bird rights) his cap hold will ensure that they are over the cap but under the tax threshold and thus able to access the full non taxpayer MLE
 
Taking a gauge for what people deem a successful offseason..

If the Cavs—
- Re-LeVert
- Give full MLE to Josh Richardson
- Give full BAE to Thomas Bryant
- Trade for Royce O’Neale (say Cedi, multiple 2nds and Travers)

Would you deem that successful?

I think that would be in the realm of more realistic offseason possibilities but we also know this offseason may be mired in player movement so some things that don’t look available may be actually available..
 
Smooth said:
Taking a gauge for what people deem a successful offseason..

If the Cavs—
- Re-LeVert
- Give full MLE to Josh Richardson
- Give full BAE to Thomas Bryant
- Trade for Royce O’Neale (say Cedi, multiple 2nds and Travers)

Would you deem that successful?

I think that would be in the realm of more realistic offseason possibilities but we also know this offseason may be mired in player movement so some things that don’t look available may be actually available..
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No because I don't see Naz Reid on the list of players you named
 
I'm looking forward to see which team is ready to tear it all down and tank. The best players on the trade market came from the Jazz and Spurs as they started "Wanking for Wemby." Who is going to tear it all down this year?

For the sake of a scenario to build off like @Smooth :

Re-sign LeVert - Obvious since he wants to be here and he didn't choke in the playoffs.

Trade - Cedi, Rubio 2nd rounder and Diop's rights for Kuzma - Wizards are ready to tank, Cavs retain Bird Rights. He stays on the player option and then the Cavs ink him to a nine figure long-term extension. Deni Avdija is perfect for our needs but I don't think we can get him.

MLE - Gary Trent Jr. - We know the interest has been mutual before, and Nurse is out in Toronto.

BAE - Drew Eubanks - Emerged last year after development in the Spurs G League organization.
 
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