2018 Cleveland Browns Off Season Thread

[The Voice]

I think as a rule going forward that should be something the Browns avoid.

If you finish in the top 10? don't trade down. If it's player for player (like eli for rivers)? Sure. But I've just never seen it work out in any other circumstance. You can say "Well, the Browns", but even the Rams when they did it? It didn't pan out:

https://www.si.com/nfl/2016/03/07/washington-redskins-st-louis-rams-robert-griffin-trade-players

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...-the-rg3-trade-between-the-redskins-and-rams/

It's stupid. Take a blue chipper. Punting a Julio Jones for what would up becoming Phil Taylor (a solid starter, but a type of guy who's production you've found later on), Greg Little and fucking Brandon Weeden? Holy hell. Don't.

So the whole 5 times you've seen it, it didn't work out. That's not large enough sample size and any good GM is going to argue that the team that traded down didn't pick right.

I raise you the mark Sanchez deal. We got Alex Mack out of it and they got a hot dog eater on the bench.


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[Triple-S]

So the whole 5 times you've seen it, it didn't work out. That's not large enough sample size and any good GM is going to argue that the team that traded down didn't pick right.

I raise you the mark Sanchez deal. We got Alex Mack out of it and they got a hot dog eater on the bench.


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Could have had BJ Rajii, Malcolm Jenkins, and Jeremy Maclin with that pick.

Did -any- of the players that we traded down for in that pick turn out?

No. It's a flat out stupid move. It never works out.


Again....if you're New England or a franchise that is picking outside of the top 10? It makes perfect sense. But what you have effectively done when you trade out of the 10 is akin to trading out of the "lottery" in the NBA. It's fucking stupid unless you're getting something GUARANTEED in return (Active player wise)

 

[FiveThous]

Could have had BJ Rajii, Malcolm Jenkins, and Jeremy Maclin with that pick.

Did -any- of the players that we traded down for in that pick turn out?

No. It's a flat out stupid move. It never works out.


Again....if you're New England or a franchise that is picking outside of the top 10? It makes perfect sense. But what you have effectively done when you trade out of the 10 is akin to trading out of the "lottery" in the NBA. It's fucking stupid unless you're getting something GUARANTEED in return (Active player wise)

To be fair, we did have football guys making those picks, not analayitcally superior franchises like Belicheck's Pats, Vikings or the Sashi Brown lead Cleveland Browns.

 

[Triple-S]

To be fair, we did have football guys making those picks, not analayitcally superior franchises like Belicheck's Pats, Vikings or the Sashi Brown lead Cleveland Browns.

2009- Browns trade down. In the trade down it nets them Alex Mack, David Veikune, Kenyon Coleman, Brett Ratliff, Abram Elam.

2011-After losing out on the chance to draft Cam Newton, Von Miller, Marcelle Dareus, and AJ Green? The management of the Browns BITES on the Falcons offering them an extra first rounder for Julio Jones

The Browns pass up on a chance for the aforementioned Julio, Aldon Smith, Tyron Smith, J.J. WATT, Robert Quinn, Mike Pouncey, and Ryan Kerrigan. And we got in return

-Phil Taylor
-Greg Little
-Owen Marecic
-Brandon Weeden (next year)
-James Michael Johsnon

That's fucking embarrassing. Period.

That's the sort of shit you get when you sacrifice top level talent in favor of spare change.

 

[BMAN]

2009- Browns trade down. In the trade down it nets them Alex Mack, David Veikune, Kenyon Coleman, Brett Ratliff, Abram Elam.

2011-After losing out on the chance to draft Cam Newton, Von Miller, Marcelle Dareus, and AJ Green? The management of the Browns BITES on the Falcons offering them an extra first rounder for Julio Jones

The Browns pass up on a chance for the aforementioned Julio, Aldon Smith, Tyron Smith, J.J. WATT, Robert Quinn, Mike Pouncey, and Ryan Kerrigan. And we got in return

-Phil Taylor
-Greg Little
-Owen Marecic
-Brandon Weeden (next year)
-James Michael Johsnon

That's fucking embarrassing. Period.

That's the sort of shit you get when you sacrifice top level talent in favor of spare change.

Or that's what you get when you're a terrible talent evaluator.

 

[JDailey23]

Or that's what you get when you're a terrible talent evaluator.

All true lol

 

[macbdog]

So as of right now, with the Browns having ample cap space, what avaialable FAs will fit best around Baker Mayfield?

 

[Triple-S]

I came up with some insanely stupid "Armchair" GM rules.

-No trade downs if you're picking within the top 10. The value seems to never work out in your favor. Take the BPA of the premium dudes I've listed before or BPA period.
-QB, LT, OLB/DE,#1 WR are a premium. If you don't have one of at least "average" status on your team? You had better find one.
-Your odds of trying the whole "draft a qb outside of the top 10" to lead a team on deep playoff runs are very slim. I
-Don't overthink or attempt to outsmart people. You're not the Patriots. You're not the 80's 49ers or the 90's Cowboys. Keep it simple. Keep it predictable. Until you have the credibility as those teams.
-Choir boys go first. Character Issue guys can be risks worth taking in the later rounds.
-Miami (Fl.) always seems to produce good pros.
-Draft local as much as possible. (OSU, MAC, etc). My Alma Mater has produced quite a few pros. I've seen the Browns go after ONE in my lifetime as a UDFA (Cribbs. Who is on the NFL's "All 2000" Team). Ohio is strangely good at cranking out pro's.

 

[Matches]

Could have had BJ Rajii, Malcolm Jenkins, and Jeremy Maclin with that pick.

Did -any- of the players that we traded down for in that pick turn out?

No. It's a flat out stupid move. It never works out.


Again....if you're New England or a franchise that is picking outside of the top 10? It makes perfect sense. But what you have effectively done when you trade out of the 10 is akin to trading out of the "lottery" in the NBA. It's fucking stupid unless you're getting something GUARANTEED in return (Active player wise)

You're absolutely right. For example, should we have traded out of the #6 slot in 2013 for #27, #63, #130, and a 2014?

No. Barkevious Mingo is a blue chip prospect. What do I want with DeAndre Hopkins, Travis Kelce, Kyle Juszczyk and a 1st?

Your sample size is shit. The Browns during that stretch simply screwed up everything: their top 10 trade downs (covered ad nauseum), their trade-ups (Trent Richardson), and their hold-pats (Mingo, Gilbert).

Correction: Gilbert was not a hold-pat. He was actually the result of both a trade down and a trade up. Down from 4 to 9, then up 1 slot and selected at 8.

 

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[MikeOC33]

Saw this somewhere else already, and strangely, I felt nothing.

Did not care. Don't hate, more of I just don't care.

In a distant way, I hope he gets the help he needs, same as any other person with mental disorders. Other than that, nothing. Nada.

 

[Triple-S]

You're absolutely right. For example, should we have traded out of the #6 slot in 2013 for #27, #63, #130, and a 2014?

No. Barkevious Mingo is a blue chip prospect. What do I want with DeAndre Hopkins, Travis Kelce, Kyle Juszczyk and a 1st?

Your sample size is shit. The Browns during that stretch simply screwed up everything: their top 10 trade downs (covered ad nauseum), their trade-ups (Trent Richardson), and their hold-pats (Mingo, Gilbert).

Correction: Gilbert was not a hold-pat. He was actually the result of both a trade down and a trade up. Down from 4 to 9, then up 1 slot and selected at 8.

Enjoy watching shit football then. Because trading down out of the top 10 is a a shit, cowardly move.

Name me one team where it has. Go on.

I don't want it done here or for the forseeable future.

Take the damn players. Enough with this shit cop out noce stuff

 

[Los216]

Enjoy watching shit football then. Because trading down out of the top 10 is a a shit, cowardly move.

Name me one team where it has. Go on.

I don't want it done here or for the forseeable future.

Take the damn players. Enough with this shit cop out noce stuff

I think you have a misunderstanding of what trading down really is. You are only looking at trading down in hindsight.

 

[Snowblind]

If the browns would have picked almost any other player drafted between Gilbert and manziel, then the trade down would have looked a lot better. It always comes down to drafting well and the Browns almost never do.

 

[Matches]

Enjoy watching shit football then. Because trading down out of the top 10 is a a shit, cowardly move.

Name me one team where it has. Go on.

Ok here goes:

2001: Seattle trades down from #10 and gives up #72 for Green Bay's #17 overall and Matt Hasselbeck. The #17 became Steve Hutchinson, 7x pro bowler and 5x 1st team all pro. The #10 was Jamal Reynolds, who made 14 tackles in his career.

2003: Bears trade down from #4 for #13, #22, and #116. #4 was Dewayne Robertson, traded for a late round pick 5 years later. #13 became Ty Warren, and #22 was Rex Grossman, the best QB ever selected #22 overall.

2008: Baltimore Ravens traded out of #8 and used the picks they got to get to #18 and select Joe Flacco, who won them the Super Bowl. They guy Jacksonville took at 8 played 4 whole seasons before being out of football.

2010: Cleveland Browns traded out of #5 to #19 and then again to #21 where they took 5x pro bowl, 3x All-pro center Alex Mack. The Jets got the Buttfumbler.

2011: Redskins trade out of #10, acquire #16 pick, Ryan Kerrigan, 3x pro bowler. Jaguars got Blaine Gabbert.

2013: Raiders trade down from #3 overall to take DJ Hayden at #12. Hayden is not great but #3 was Dion Jordan, a complete disaster.