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Derek

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I like the player movement. I just worry that we'd still be too far away to be giving up 2 of our next 3 first round picks. The 2021 draft is likely to be very good, but this trade would actually lower the value of our pick in that draft. Is Simmons -- who has great skills but is also flawed - really worth two first round picks, plus a diminished draft position in the 2021 draft?
Personally, I believe he is.

In terms of players I'm confident would bring winning basketball to Cleveland, he's top 10 in the entire league for me.
 

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Personally, I believe he is.

In terms of players I'm confident would bring winning basketball to Cleveland, he's top 10 in the entire league for me.
I agree he'd have a good shot at bringing winning basketball to Cleveland. I'd just worry that what else we'd be giving up would have us topping out as a treadmill 5-8 seed. I suppose I do see a path where it might work. But that really would require Sexton and KPJ both to become all-star players, and probably Windler become a more athletic, slightly worse shooting version of Korver.
 

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I agree he'd have a good shot at bringing winning basketball to Cleveland. I'd just worry that what else we'd be giving up would have us topping out as a treadmill 5-8 seed. I suppose I do see a path where it might work. But that really would require Sexton and KPJ both to become all-star players, and probably Windler become a more athletic, slightly worse shooting version of Korver.
I no longer believe the treadmill of mediocrity that everyone has always been concerned with (including me the last time LeBron left) actually exists. What team are we trying to avoid becoming?

The only treadmill is the treadmill of losing, and we're stuck on that in the worst way.

We didn't dump all that money into role players like Nance and Osman just to keep losing for the duration of those contracts.

Let's make a move. Hell, re-sign Tristan, too. Then, use whatever exceptions we have to try and bring in another usable rotation guy. Maybe a guy like Dragic?

Win a few games, have some success, and see where it goes from there.
 

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I no longer believe the treadmill of mediocrity that everyone has always been concerned with (including me the last time LeBron left) actually exists. What team are we trying to avoid becoming?

The only treadmill is the treadmill of losing, and we're stuck on that in the worst way.

We didn't dump all that money into role players like Nance and Osman just to keep losing for the duration of those contracts.

Let's make a move. Hell, re-sign Tristan, too. Then, use whatever exceptions we have to try and bring in another usable rotation guy. Maybe a guy like Dragic?

Win a few games, have some success, and see where it goes from there.
I'm not saying to keep losing. I'm saying that mortgaging the future for a guy that I personally don't see as putting us into title contention isn't the way to go. I think this team will play better ball next season with a better coach, and with another year of maturity for our younger players. Two first round picks and a lower pick in 2021 for a guy who takes less than 4% of his shots from outside 10 feet, and is signed to a monstrous contract going forward...I just dunno.

It's not the getting better part that bothers me -- I'm not advocating tanking. It's the future picks that could otherwise enable us to build a team around the guys we have.
 

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I'm not saying to keep losing. I'm saying that mortgaging the future for a guy that I personally don't see as putting us into title contention isn't the way to go. I think this team will play better ball next season with a better coach, and with another year of maturity for our younger players. Two first round picks and a lower pick in 2021 for a guy who takes less than 4% of his shots from outside 10 feet, and is signed to a monstrous contract going forward...I just dunno.

It's not the getting better part that bothers me -- I'm not advocating tanking. It's the future picks that could otherwise enable us to build a team around the guys we have.
I think Ben Simmons would easily be a top 10 player in the NBA for us. His contract is a huge positive for me because we'd have a 23-year-old star locked down for his prime years.

So, if you really think we'll play better under a better coach (whoever that may be), then doesn't it make sense to get a major talent upgrade?

Having Sexton on the team makes it really tough to build a winner. Simmons being able to guard every position on the floor at an elite level while providing playmaking on offense is such a rare thing, but so necessary if we're going to move forward with Sexton on the team.

I don't care where Simmons scores his points. He's a great player and we'd be getting shooting from the other four positions.
 

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