2020-2021 Cavs Season General Discussion

[NMCav]

Griff has done some real weird stuff recently, that's the only reason why I think it could happen. Griff did draft Cedi even if Koby was the one who scouted him.

I could also see us trading Nance and getting Hart plus additional assets back.

Trading Nance for Hart makes even less sense. I hope all the Hart rumors are BS. Dude is not even close to what the Cavaliers need.

 

[Cavatt]

I see you somehow got my quote before I edited my post. I changed it to story pretty quickly. Looking at his college stats he shot at 33% and 37%. I agree he’s nowhere near the 3pt shooter Robinson. On the other side of the coin his attacking the hoop skills are much better than Duncan.

He looks like a real pg to me. A lot of these guys that are billed as pg are always combo guards who chuck it seems like. He is actually interested in passing. Seems cool to me, but I don't think the athleticism is there to be an NBA player.

 

[inliner311]

Trading Nance for Hart makes even less sense. I hope all the Hart rumors are BS. Dude is not even close to what the Cavaliers need.

Prince's contract would have expanded the market for a sign and trade for us.

We might just need to use the MLE for someone on a 1 year contract to create an expiring to use down the line.

 

[bs80]

We might just need to use the MLE for someone on a 1 year contract to create an expiring to use down the line.

I always thought that something like this isn't a bad idea, especially if we don't have any other options that really make sense if we are focusing on maintaining roster flexibility. Take a shot with our MLE, even if we overpay, to sign a reclamation project to a 1+1 type of deal. If he plays well, he suddenly has trade value at the deadline. If he doesn't, we cut him loose after the season. Sort of like what the Indians did with Cesar Hernandez. Only it makes even more sense for the Cavs since the money being paid to Cesar hurts Dolan more than the full MLE for one season would hurt Dan.

Again, this is all based on the assumption that there are no longer term contracts that make sense for us to spend the MLE on.

 

[Lee]

Trading Nance for Hart makes even less sense. I hope all the Hart rumors are BS. Dude is not even close to what the Cavaliers need.

Only way i do it if we are trading Cedi for Hart plus a 2nd rounder.

To get rid of Cedi and his contract and turn him into a usefull player in Hart for only a 2nd rounder works for me.

Thing is, I dont see anyway they do that as a S&T, so no thank you if Hart costs that much more, like you said he solves nothing unless he is getting rid of Cedi.

 

[Mr. MacPhisto]

Why the hell would they take on Cedi when they could just let Hart walk and not have to take on a bad contract? We'd have to attach a pick for them to start considering it.

Is Cedi a terrible contract really? Last year he averaged over 10ppg. If his 3PT shooting comes back up then he's not a bad value and only has two years of fully guaranteed money. He'll be cheaper than bringing Hart back for them with less of a time commitment (Hart probably will be a 4 year deal), could return to prior form and not be a terrible value.

 

[bs80]

Is Cedi a terrible contract really? Last year he averaged over 10ppg. If his 3PT shooting comes back up then he's not a bad value and only has two years of fully guaranteed money. He'll be cheaper than bringing Hart back for them with less of a time commitment (Hart probably will be a 4 year deal), could return to prior form and not be a terrible value.

I wouldn't call it terrible, but I'm not sure if Cedi is actually an asset on that contract. I only mentioned him because he was brought up as a potential piece in a Hart S&T -- do you think there are teams out there that would be happy to acquire him on that contract?

BTW, I'm not advocating for the Cavs to trade for Hart. Unless we see him as an important rotation piece for the long-haul, I don't want to commit any more than two years to him, or anyone else for that matter.

 

[Lee]

Is Cedi a terrible contract really? Last year he averaged over 10ppg. If his 3PT shooting comes back up then he's not a bad value and only has two years of fully guaranteed money. He'll be cheaper than bringing Hart back for them with less of a time commitment (Hart probably will be a 4 year deal), could return to prior form and not be a terrible value.

Yes he is.

We had a ton of injuries and someone has to play and score.

He doesnt defend and was bad from 3 for a guy who too 5.5 a game. He was also horrible from 2. He has gotten worse, not better, not sure how we expect he suddenly turns a corner. He played because we had no choice and his bad play opened up playing time for undrafted rookie Lamar Stevens who cant shoot a lick right now but atleast he puts in effort and defends.

 

[daddywags]

Count me out on Josh Hart. Too small and doesn't help our outside shooting. Seems like a desperation play to me. Unless we can trade Sexton for a good, young, SF I don't think we're going to solve that position this summer. As for Cedi, I'd move him if a decent deal shows up, but, if not, he should be relegated to spot up shooting off the bench. He's not a point forward, so he shouldn't be dribbling the ball, and he doesn't shoot well unless his feet are set and he has time. When he rushes his shots or shoots off the dribble he's extremely erratic. That's what I see anyway.

 

[wee zer]

I think people dismissing Hart are focusing too much on position in a positionless league. If your 8 man rotation is, from big to small, Allen, Mobley, Love, Nance, Hart, Okoro, Rubio, Garland, then I can't think of a player that team can't guard outside of a transcendent KD type who you just put a body on and pray. That is a really strong core of players that can all guard up or down a size with your only potential liabilities in Love and Garland. The offense would be a grind at first but if you can train these guys to defend, pass and play cohesive ball that is a really strong foundation for future success that you can plug some spot up guys into later if Mobley and Okoro don't develop.

 

[Mr. MacPhisto]

Yes he is.

We had a ton of injuries and someone has to play and score.

He doesnt defend and was bad from 3 for a guy who too 5.5 a game. He was also horrible from 2. He has gotten worse, not better, not sure how we expect he suddenly turns a corner. He played because we had no choice and his bad play opened up playing time for undrafted rookie Lamar Stevens who cant shoot a lick right now but atleast he puts in effort and defends.

What makes you think it will just get worse after a bad year? His defense slightly approved according to his DRTG last year while his offense certainly declined - but we also had a lot of injuries and not tons of help. Osman is not a lock down defender, yet he did shoot 38.3% from 3PT in 2019-2020 and recovered after his first shooting decline the year before that. I see no evidence that it is all downhill for a guy that just turned 26. You said it, we had a ton of injuries. No one is claiming Cedi is a great player. Can he be good off the bench? I think that is reasonable.

Sign and Trades are also different beasts. This isn't trading for an established guy like a Terrance Ross where Cedi in exchange would be ludicrous. That contract is not an albatross nor is it even that much in the modern NBA.

 

[Lee]

What makes you think it will just get worse after a bad year? His defense slightly approved according to his DRTG last year while his offense certainly declined - but we also had a lot of injuries and not tons of help. Osman is not a lock down defender, yet he did shoot 38.3% from 3PT in 2019-2020 and recovered after his first shooting decline the year before that. I see no evidence that it is all downhill for a guy that just turned 26. You said it, we had a ton of injuries. No one is claiming Cedi is a great player. Can he be good off the bench? I think that is reasonable.

Sign and Trades are also different beasts. This isn't trading for an established guy like a Terrance Ross where Cedi in exchange would be ludicrous. That contract is not an albatross nor is it even that much in the modern NBA.

What makes you think he will get any better?

 

[Cavs12]

He looks like a real pg to me. A lot of these guys that are billed as pg are always combo guards who chuck it seems like. He is actually interested in passing. Seems cool to me, but I don't think the athleticism is there to be an NBA player.

I agree that I think that is what could hold him back.

 

[Ozone]

I agree that I think that is what could hold him back.

might be a poor mans slomo playing the point that can mess with defenses timing and create opportunities using his head , but yeah he lacks prototypical nba level speed and explosiveness. So does Rubio though the lack of explosiveness part anyway so I guess maybe they are just bringing in unathletic point guards to make Darius look twitchy smh

 

[Green Lantern]

Of course he's not the shooter Fedor. He can rebound and I will pause there.