2020 NBA Draft

[I'mWithDan]

I knew I worded that very questionably with untapped potential. I think he most likely has untapped potential but to expect he has Bam untapped potential I think seems fairly unreasonable. It's over projecting him because of one players that has similar size and length as him.

I'd imagine 1 out of every 150 prospects or so develop in the way Bam has. So sure, expecting that is one thing but with someone like Okongwu, who has interesting tape flashes, is really young, proven collegiate impact, etc..... he's at least the type of player (to me), who has a better than average chance of being one of those 1 in 150 guys.

Okongwu is the safe pick that neither gets a GM fired or moves the needle much. I think like TT if Okongwu gets taken high, people will look back and wish their GM took a bigger swing at a different player with higher potential.

Go look back at past drafts. Really, your only goal is to get one of the 4-5 best players. Some might have 6-7 in a good draft but there is a lot of delusion around "higher potential" guys. There's so much luck involved in getting the best player but you should at least bucket players who you think are most likely to be the handful that comes out of the wash. If you think OO will be one of the 4-5 best guys, even if it is the 5th best, you take him.....especially considering his roster fit as well. Bypassing prospects like he or Haliburton, to chase ceiling, has been proven to be incredibly foolish. It is why so many bad picks are made in the middle of the lottery specifically.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

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The Cavs only make this deal if they are confident Wiseman is the next Anthony Davis. I can't stress enough how bad Andrew Wiggins is on defense, and how awful his contract is going to be long-term.

I don't think there is a universe in which the dropoff from Wiggins to Love both on and off the court is worth moving from No. 5 to No. 2.

 

[Los216]

I feel like I've said this multiple times but Andrew Wiggins contract is not as horrid as people are making it seem. His deal is the same length as Love's. Wiggins will be 27 at the end of that contract. He'd be younger than everybody on the team except for Garland, Sexton, Porter, and only a year older than Windler.

 

[Los216]

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I don't think there is a universe in which the dropoff from Wiggins to Love both on and off the court is worth moving from No. 2 to No. 5.

Love shouldn't be in any Wiggins deals. Drummond should.

 

[I'mWithDan]

I don't think there is a universe in which the dropoff from Wiggins to Love both on and off the court is worth moving from No. 2 to No. 5.

Honestly, the Warriors would say yes to that trade so fast we wouldn't even know what the hell happened. They could offload Wiggins' money for a better player, on a more team friendly deal (Wiggins increases year over year) and then pick from Vassel, Okoro at #5 to fill Wiggins' minutes. I'd imagine the Warriors ideal trade is something like that.

If the Cavs are offering a landing spot for Wiggins, it better come with additional draft capital. A swap of Love and 5 for Wiggins and 2 would be terrible value (to me). Especially considering the value difference in players at each of those spots. We'd have to think Wiseman was the next David Robinson for that to make sense.

 

[Cavatt]

This is his freshman highlights.

Am I crazy? Doesn't he look like the fastest guy on the court? Dunking in transition. He is skinny yeah, but he has NBA athleticism. When I watch that tape, it looks like guy who basketball comes easy to him.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I would hate to have Wiggins on this team but then again Love, while obviously much better, is probably just a part time player at this point (50-60 games). If they feel there's a chance Wiseman has a perennial all-star type ceiling then hope they would pull the trigger on that type deal. They would obviously have to dump that Love contract if they're taking on the Wiggins contract though. Maybe they bring back the amnesty clause at some point?
I do like some of these guys ie. Vassell, Okoro, Haliburton, Okongwu,etc but not sure any really project as more than roleplayers. As far as the wings are concerned I don't see a huge difference between Okoro/Vassell and someone like Josh Green projected to be picked later in the first round. Alot obviously depends on the measurements and pre draft workouts too...If Vassell measures well and has legit SF size maybe he moves to the front of the pack,, If Okoro shows a Jimmy Butler type motor/mentality to improve maybe he moves up their board, etc, etc.

I think Wiggins would have a terribly negative effect on the development of our young players. That's a huge reason I don't want him. High usage, poor BBIQ, poor defense. Terrible, terrible fit. I try to imagine him on the court with Garland and Sexton...it's just painful.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

Am I crazy? Doesn't he look like the fastest guy on the court? Dunking in transition. He is skinny yeah, but he has NBA athleticism. When I watch that tape, it looks like guy who basketball comes easy to him.

He is no Avdija that's for sure

 

[Derek]

I feel like I've said this multiple times but Andrew Wiggins contract is not as horrid as people are making it seem. His deal is the same length as Love's. Wiggins will be 27 at the end of that contract. He'd be younger than everybody on the team except for Garland, Sexton, Porter, and only a year older than Windler.

Youth doesn't mean anything when you're a net negative. At least Kevin Love is still a productive NBA player.

 

[Randolphkeys]

I feel like I've said this multiple times but Andrew Wiggins contract is not as horrid as people are making it seem. His deal is the same length as Love's. Wiggins will be 27 at the end of that contract. He'd be younger than everybody on the team except for Garland, Sexton, Porter, and only a year older than Windler.

You can say something that is wrong as many times as you want.

Anyways, since people are talking trades and the draft, I just put a Knicks mock draft in the correct thread for that discussion. This isn't it.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Just putting this out there... Everyone has The Bulls drafting Deni Avdija at #4 the past two weeks... but why wouldn't they fix their point guard problem?

Their leading assist man last season was Tomas Santoransky, who is probably best suited to be a sixth man swingman. Zack Levine averaged 4.2 assists to 3.4 turnovers, is clearly a score-first guard and can't defend well. Coby White averaged 2.7 assists and 1.7 turnovers who, while he is a rookie, played some awful defense himself.

Kris Dunn looks like a backup and averaged 3.4 assists to 1.3 assists with great defense advanced metrics. He seems destined to be paired with one of White or Levine.

I see Killian Hayes as an ideal lead guard for the Bulls who can take over for Santoransky as lead facilitator, pushing Santoransky to a more comfortable sixth man role.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Just putting this out there... Everyone has The Bulls drafting Deni Avdija at #4 the past two weeks... but why wouldn't they fix their point guard problem?

Their leading assist man last season was Tomas Santoransky, who is probably best suited to be a sixth man swingman. Zack Levine averaged 4.2 assists to 3.4 turnovers, is clearly a score-first guard and can't defend well. Coby White averaged 2.7 assists and 1.7 turnovers who, while he is a rookie, played some awful defense himself.

Kris Dunn looks like a backup and averaged 3.4 assists to 1.3 assists with great defense advanced metrics. He seems destined to be paired with one of White or Levine.

I see Killian Hayes as an ideal lead guard for the Bulls who can take over for Santoransky as lead facilitator, pushing Santoransky to a more comfortable sixth man role.

I think you're right, but wouldn't that mean they'd be admitting on Coby White? Not sure they'd be willing to do that yet.

 

[Randolphkeys]

I think you're right, but wouldn't that mean they'd be admitting on Coby White? Not sure they'd be willing to do that yet.

It's not lost on me that it is a bad long-term plan to draft ball dominant guards in back to back lotteries. *Cough Sexland*

Running a quick check, White averaged 33.7 minutes, 24.7 points, 46.8 field goal percentage, 4.3 assists to 2.9 turnovers and shooting 40.7% from 3-point range (8.6 attempts per game) in 10 post-All-Star break games.

Darius Garland wasn't 100% but post-All Star break he averaged 34.7 minutes, 45.9 field goal percentage, 13.3 points, 4.2 assists to 1.8 turnovers, shooting 39.2% from 3-point range on 3.8 attempts per game.

So in the most recent games, White had much better scoring numbers but wasn't really running a team as a facilitator. Garland was frustrating but at least he put up the type of numbers you would expect from a point guard.

I don't know what Billy Donovan wants to do, but a true facilitator is a bigger need for the Bulls than the Cavaliers.

 

[inliner311]

Am I crazy? Doesn't he look like the fastest guy on the court? Dunking in transition. He is skinny yeah, but he has NBA athleticism. When I watch that tape, it looks like guy who basketball comes easy to him.

This one shows how good of a PG Haliburton is with alot of his assists. He really has great vision and knows how to freeze defenders to open up players.

 

[ajz20]

What's the word on Okongwu, if any? He's clearly the cream of the crop in terms of defense/switchability/athleticism in this draft, but perhaps is seen as too roleplayer-y for #5?

Honestly with all the probable busts that are going to be in the top 20 a top end role player this year is a very successful draft. I have read several accounts about scouts that Keep saying may be is the weakest Draft in a decade or more. If you think a player can be a solid player for your franchise and fills a need you take them this year and hope for the best. It is not crazy to think this draft may only produce one all star , and then a few solid starters, some rotational bench guys, then a boatload of guys that are going to be at the end of the bench that end up playing in Europe. With that being said there is probably bound to be one guy out of the top 10 that ends up being way better then expected and out performs guys drafted a head of them by a wide margin. Hence the guy from USC has every right to go in the top 5 in this years draft