2020 Trade Deadline Thread

[I'mWithDan]

Cooks is a deep threat and he'll usually be covered by the #1 CB on the other team. He's a burner too.

I mean sure we can start Higgins and DPJ the rest of the year but we're going to be a very easy team to cover. Higgins is good but he's not a threat.

Cooks has a really average depth of target though and he's not really a run after catch guy. I suppose you can just have him run down the field but that isn't what he's good at. If we want a guy to run fast down the field, get Conley, who actually makes sense from a fit and skill standpoint.

Cooks accounts for a majority of his production in the slot and his downfield YAC numbers just are average.......and to get value from him, we then need to bump our most productive receiver outside at times, which makes even less sense to me.

 

[Man Called X]

Anyone think we could get Larry Fitzgerald during his retirement tour?

Am I doing this right? @Los216

 

[Triplethreat]

Anyone think we could get Larry Fitzgerald during his retirement tour?

Am I doing this right? @Los216

To be fair, Cooks is 27 and has been able to produce everywhere he's been thus far in his career.

I think he'd be a fine player here and definitely wouldn't be a guy who's commanding targets or putting any additional pressure on our QB. Likely a seamless integration mid season.

 

[Los216]

Cooks has a really average average depth of target though and he's not really a run after catch guy. I suppose you can just have him run down the field but that isn't what he's good at. If we want a guy to run fast down the field, get Conley, who actually makes sense from a fit and skill standpoint.

Cooks accounts for a majority of his production in the slot and his downfield YAC numbers just are average.......and to get value from him, we then need to bump our most productive receiver outside at times, which makes even less sense to me.

I don't think JAX is going to be trading any receivers anytime soon

 

[Los216]

To be fair, Cooks is 27 and has been able to produce everywhere he's been thus far in his career.

I think he'd be a fine player here and definitely wouldn't be a guy who's commanding targets or putting any additional pressure on our QB. Likely a seamless integration mid season.

And having familiarity with the coaching staff is where that integration helps a lot.

 

[Triplethreat]

Cooks has a really average depth of target though and he's not really a run after catch guy. I suppose you can just have him run down the field but that isn't what he's good at. If we want a guy to run fast down the field, get Conley, who actually makes sense from a fit and skill standpoint.

Cooks accounts for a majority of his production in the slot and his downfield YAC numbers just are average.......and to get value from him, we then need to bump our most productive receiver outside at times, which makes even less sense to me.

Being completely fair here you're just inaccurate.

Cooks plays the majority of his snaps on the outside. In fact he's only playing 22% of his snaps inside and it's pretty much been that way his whole career.

He's still a 4.3 guy who can stretch the field but is often injured.

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[Man Called X]

To be fair, Cooks is 27 and has been able to produce everywhere he's been thus far in his career.

I think he'd be a fine player here and definitely wouldn't be a guy who's commanding targets or putting any additional pressure on our QB. Likely a seamless integration mid season.

You quit shitting on all my fun.

 

[Vee-Rex]

I'm just not sure Cooks is ~that guy~ for us. Maybe he is? I wouldn't mind especially if we get him for cheap, but I want a bigger guy. I just think it's better for Baker.

Doesn't matter if he's the best player in the league - is he (5'10) going to establish a good rapport with Baker and make those in-traffic jump catches, in-traffic back shoulders that Baker needs to comfortably throw to him?

 

[I'mWithDan]

Being completely fair here you're just inaccurate.

Cooks plays the majority of his snaps on the outside. In fact he's only playing 22% of his snaps inside and it's pretty much been that way his whole career.

He's still a 4.3 guy who can stretch the field but is often injured.

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That number isn't what you think it is. It is percentage of total team plays. Not percentage of HIS snaps.

Cooks had 297 snaps this season heading in to this week.

157 of them were in the slot. So 53% were deemed slot snaps.

20 of his 27 catches were in the slot - 74%
262 of his 367 yards were in the slot - 72%
86 of his 112 YAC yards were in the slot - 76%

The guy is a slot receiver. Not sure why we are having this debate here.

Sure, put him outside if you want.......he's likely not going to do anything helpful.

 

[Triplethreat]

That number isn't what you think it is. It is percentage of total team plays. Not percentage of HIS snaps.

Cooks had 297 snaps this season heading in to this week.

157 of them were in the slot. So 53% were deemed slot snaps.

20 of his 27 catches were in the slot - 74%
262 of his 367 yards were in the slot - 72%
86 of his 112 YAC yards were in the slot - 76%

The guy is a slot receiver. Not sure why we are having this debate here.

Sure, put him outside if you want.......he's likely not going to do anything helpful.

Player profiler specifically lists his slot snaps at 66.

Not sure where you got those numbers from but if you want to link me I'll gladly admit I was wrong if I can take a look.

To be honest it doesn't really make sense to have Cooks playing high slot snaps with a guy like Randall Cobb who specializes at it. (165 snaps there and 69%)

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[Triplethreat]

That number isn't what you think it is. It is percentage of total team plays. Not percentage of HIS snaps.

Cooks had 297 snaps this season heading in to this week.

157 of them were in the slot. So 53% were deemed slot snaps.

20 of his 27 catches were in the slot - 74%
262 of his 367 yards were in the slot - 72%
86 of his 112 YAC yards were in the slot - 76%

The guy is a slot receiver. Not sure why we are having this debate here.

Sure, put him outside if you want.......he's likely not going to do anything helpful.

He went for 1,000 - 7 TD's in New England playing just about exclusively outside and acting as a very solid deep threat for Brady in 2017. He is a perfectly capable outside WR no matter how you slice it.

 

[I'mWithDan]

Player profiler specifically lists his slot snaps at 66.

Not sure where you got those numbers from but if you want to link me I'll gladly admit I was wrong if I can take a look.

To be honest it doesn't really make sense to have Cooks playing high slot snaps with a guy like Randall Cobb who specializes at it. (165 snaps there and 69%)

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Probably most notable is when you look at his per 100 play metrics. He's just not very effective on the outside right now.

He's giving you 50+% more production as a slot receiver, even though snap counts are pretty evenly distributed.

Can a fast guy just go play on the outside? I mean yeah.....he can.......but Cooks metrics say you aren't getting much value from him out there.

I don't think he's a bad player, I was responding specifically to his fit.....and how it means we still really don't have a productive solution on the outside, while also potentially marginalizing our best receiver to date.

Cooks would have to be an exceptionally special player to allocate snaps to him inside, while also understanding that he's going to be cut in 9 games because of the out in his contract. I just don't get him specifically from a fit perspective.....when you look at his size, contract status and where his numbers say he needs to play to be effective.

 

[Triplethreat]

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Probably most notable is when you look at his per 100 play metrics. He's just not very effective on the outside right now.

He's giving you 50+% more production as a slot receiver, even though snap counts are pretty evenly distributed.

Can a fast guy just go play on the outside? I mean yeah.....he can.......but Cooks metrics say you aren't getting much value from him out there.

I don't think he's a bad player, I was responding specifically to his fit.....and how it means we still really don't have a productive solution on the outside, while also potentially marginalizing our best receiver to date.

Cooks would have to be an exceptionally special player to allocate snaps to him inside, while also understanding that he's going to be cut in 9 games because of the out in his contract. I just don't get him specifically from a fit perspective.....when you look at his size, contract status and where his numbers say he needs to play to be effective.

That’s fair enough. Just personally think he has enough to play outside and certainly is better than any of the options we currently have out there.

He’s been able to do it before and in a multitude of places.

 

[CBBI]

With Hodge set to return and Hooper eventually coming back (which can in turn slide Bryant and/or Njoku into the slot as necessary), I just don't think the Browns really need another WR that badly.

I think they can get by with what they have for now.

If they are going to make a trade, I'd rather it come on defense with literally any position - DE, DT, MLB, OLB, CB, SS, FS - on the table as a potential option.

 

[I'mWithDan]

With Hodge set to return and Hooper eventually coming back (which can in turn slide Bryant and/or Njoku into the slot as necessary), I just don't think the Browns really need another WR that badly.

I think they can get by with what they have for now.

If they are going to make a trade, I'd rather it come on defense with literally any position - DE, DT, MLB, OLB, CB, SS, FS - on the table as a potential option.

The only potential marriage of both would seem to be Minnesota, which is pretty interesting given Stefanski's familiarity with those players.

It sounds like the Vikes desperately want cap space, so there may be an opportunity, if the FO wants it, to plug several holes in a multi player trade.

It does, however, seem more counterintuitive to how the FO has operated. Next year is probably the year you forgo draft capital to chase hole plugging vets but maybe the org feels better about this team than I think.

With the Browns cap situation, I would imagine Minnesota would now be angling to unload someone like Theilen as part of a deal for defensive help. That is potentially the one unfortunate aspect of the OBJ inury, is that a team like Minnesota is now going to try to likely use that as a leverage point in negotiations for any of the defensive players we may have been interested in.