2021 Draft Prospects Thread

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

If you have watched any Atlanta Falcons games this season you'd have the context.

One of the best route runners in the entire NFL.

Yep, everyone else is bringing the lazy takes.

You sound like every fantasy football player this past year who would get offended when you dared to say Calvin Ridley wasn't the best receiver in football.

Player A: 90 Catches, 143 Targets, 1374 Yards
Player B: 111 Catches, 166 Targets, 1426 Yards
Player C: 97 Catches, 128 Targets, 831 Yards
Player D: 100 Catches, 132 Targets, 1054 Yards
Player E: 83 Catches, 129 Targets, 1303 Yards

A? Ridley this year
B? Juju in 2018
C? Juju this year
D? Tyler Lockett this year
E? DK Metcalf this year

Player E is, by far, the best player out of the group. But please, tell me more about how these stats are important without context. If Ridley is this transcendent talent like you claim, then certainly that 2018 season put up by Juju, which was better than Ridley's and at a younger age, must mean that he's approaching Randy Moss and Jerry Rice territory by now!

Oh wait...

Maybe context is important. Maybe, without context, someone would say that Lockett is the better receiver in Seattle because he caught a higher percentage of the balls thrown to him. Maybe, without context, someone would draw the conclusion that 2018 Juju was a transcendent superstar, and obvious Alpha #1 receiver in the league. Maybe, without context, someone would draw similar conclusions from Calvin Ridley's situation this year.

How's Blake Bortles doing? Certainly he's a stud after his 4400 yard 2015 season, right? He threw 35 touchdowns!

You hear others use the term "lazy" so you try and throw it right back at them. The problem is, it doesn't fit. You're using it incorrectly. The "If you watched any Atlanta Falcons games this year" is a great one to throw in as well. Bravo.

The guy who has proven to everyone on this board that he will not do even the smallest amount of research when discussing a topic is claiming that others haven't done any research on the topic. Methinks thou doth protest too much.

 

[AZ_]

If you have watched any Atlanta Falcons games this season you'd have the context.

One of the best route runners in the entire NFL.

One of the best route runners in the NFL is a great analysis of Calvin Ridley.

Saying Calvin Ridley is a dominant surefire #1 receiver is subjective, and not really supported by the stats.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Yep, everyone else is bringing the lazy takes.

You sound like every fantasy football player this past year who would get offended when you dared to say Calvin Ridley wasn't the best receiver in football.

Player A: 90 Catches, 143 Targets, 1374 Yards
Player B: 111 Catches, 166 Targets, 1426 Yards
Player C: 97 Catches, 128 Targets, 831 Yards
Player D: 100 Catches, 132 Targets, 1054 Yards
Player E: 83 Catches, 129 Targets, 1303 Yards

A? Ridley this year
B? Juju in 2018
C? Juju this year
D? Tyler Lockett this year
E? DK Metcalf this year

Player E is, by far, the best player out of the group. But please, tell me more about how these stats are important without context. If Ridley is this transcendent talent like you claim, then certainly that 2018 season put up by Juju, which was better than Ridley's and at a younger age, must mean that he's approaching Randy Moss and Jerry Rice territory by now!

Oh wait...

Maybe context is important. Maybe, without context, someone would say that Lockett is the better receiver in Seattle because he caught a higher percentage of the balls thrown to him. Maybe, without context, someone would draw the conclusion that 2018 Juju was a transcendent superstar, and obvious Alpha #1 receiver in the league. Maybe, without context, someone would draw similar conclusions from Calvin Ridley's situation this year.

How's Blake Bortles doing? Certainly he's a stud after his 4400 yard 2015 season, right? He threw 35 touchdowns!

You hear others use the term "lazy" so you try and throw it right back at them. The problem is, it doesn't fit. You're using it incorrectly. The "If you watched any Atlanta Falcons games this year" is a great one to throw in as well. Bravo.

The guy who has proven to everyone on this board that he will not do even the smallest amount of research when discussing a topic is claiming that others haven't done any research on the topic. Methinks thou doth protest too much.

Chris Godwin had a down year. He missed a handful of games and only had around 800 yards. I'd still take him over Ridley and it wouldn't even be a conversation.

Because, again, counting stats don't matter. Chris Godwin is a better football player than Calvin Ridley.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Chris Godwin had a down year. He missed a handful of games and only had around 800 yards. I'd still take him over Ridley and it wouldn't even be a conversation.

Because, again, counting stats don't matter. Chris Godwin is a better football player than Calvin Ridley.

I don't think either one is a stud.

I'm lower on Godwin than most, but I have him closer to Deebo Samuel than Stefon Diggs. I'd put him very close to AJ Brown. Brown's bigger and stronger. Godwin's quicker and shiftier, both excel when they're in the slot, and their biggest contributing factor is what they do after the ball is in their hands.

You make me choose between Godwin and Ridley, and it depends on role. If it's an X or Z, I'll take Ridley. I think he's better at getting open on longer routes. If it's someone that can line up in the slot, I'd prefer Godwin.

Again... I have no problem accepting that some of my takes are controversial I really try to evaluate based on talent instead of situation. I'm fine never owning Chris Godwin in fantasy. He's a guy I'm always going to be lower than the market on. Juju and Calvin Ridley are going to be in that mold as well.

 

[AZ_]

WOW

 

[Lee]

WOW

Do you think 260 is too small for Edge in a 3-4? Do you think he is a full time edge in the NFL or with his speed and background could be a hybrid who plays some OLB?

The 19 reps is a bit concerning, but i get he is long with long arms. For example Myles had 33 reps, then again, Myles went #1, and might be a top 20 player in the entire NFL, so apples and oranges, lol.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Do you think 260 is too small for Edge in a 3-4? Do you think he is a full time edge in the NFL or with his speed and background could be a hybrid who plays some OLB?

The 19 reps is a bit concerning, but i get he is long with long arms. For example Myles had 33 reps, then again, Myles went #1, and might be a top 20 player in the entire NFL, so apples and oranges, lol.

Nick Bosa is 6'3.75 and 266 with arms at 33' as well. Nobody says Nick Bosa is too small to play as a defensive end with his hand in the dirt.

 

[DJTJ]

WOW

Tbh, this mirrors the tape. Better off as an edge, questionable strength to affect the run game. Not sure he fits here, and I really question his ability to rush the laser effectively (granted, his skill set would be somewhat effective with Myles where he won’t have to be first to QB).

 

[DJTJ]

Nick Bosa is 6'3.75 and 266 with arms at 33' as well. Nobody says Nick Bosa is too small to play as a defensive end with his hand in the dirt.

If only Ossai played his size.

 

[Lee]

Nick Bosa is 6'3.75 and 266 with arms at 33' as well. Nobody says Nick Bosa is too small to play as a defensive end with his hand in the dirt.

Nick Bosa is 10 pounds heavier, but also had 29 reps, but once again high 1st round pick.

 

[DJTJ]

I’ll re-watch Ossai tape. Those measurements are too good. Want to be wrong. Might play him way up the board, though.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Nick Bosa is 10 pounds heavier, but also had 29 reps, but once again high 1st round pick.

We are now examining the difference between a unanimous DROY and a guy available at #26. What I'm seeing here is a legitimate frame, body type, and athletic template to develop.

Not my favorite for the #1 pick, but a competent starting level DE at 2.7 million per year is also a steal for the cost at the position.

 

[Lee]

We are now examining the difference between a unanimous DROY and a guy available at #26. What I'm seeing here is a legitimate frame, body type, and athletic template to develop.

Not my favorite for the #1 pick, but a competent starting level DE at 2.7 million per year is also a steal for the cost at the position.

I get your point, my point is that he will be weak against the run as a full time DE and might not develop there. Not sure i want to draft a situational player with our 1st pick even though its a late 1st pick.

At the very least its a legit concern imo, and he isnt going to be there with our 2nd pick, if he is, you take him and dont think twice, lol.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

I have absolutely no concerns about Ossai's size or weight. He has the frame to play edge if you think he's good enough.

He's significantly thicker and stronger than Brian Burns, and Burns looked pretty damn good as a pass rusher.

I get your point, my point is that he will be weak against the run as a full time DE and might not develop there. Not sure i want to draft a situational player with our 1st pick even though its a late 1st pick.

At the very least its a legit concern imo, and he isnt going to be there with our 2nd pick, if he is, you take him and dont think twice, lol.

Again, I'm not advocating for him at 26, because I haven't watched his tape. But I don't think his size is anything to be concerned about. I like to ask what a player can do, and draft players who can do meaningful things on the football field, rather than worry about what a player might not be able to do.

I still don't think his weight means he'll absolutely be a negative against the run.

 

[Randolphkeys]

I get your point, my point is that he will be weak against the run as a full time DE and might not develop there. Not sure i want to draft a situational player with our 1st pick even though its a late 1st pick.

At the very least its a legit concern imo, and he isnt going to be there with our 2nd pick, if he is, you take him and dont think twice, lol.

The guys over at (not kidding) Real Bucs Talk break him down very well here.


I agree he could stand to add ten pounds to become a full-time 4-3 defensive end instead of a guy who flexes from the line to space... but that's not a reason to pass on a legit defensive end. Porter Gustin put on 20 pounds in a year to become a legit end. Just as importantly, he needs to further develop his counter moves and handwork.