2021 Season | Series #48 | White Sox @ Indians | Sep. 23 - 26

[CATS44]

How do you know they are discussing a major trade for impact offense? Not saying they aren't, I'm just wondering how you know. Or are you just assuming?

The FO has already talked to Pittsburgh about Reynolds and to Cinci about Winker. The FO has been shopping since at least the All Star break.

But beyond that, its common sense.

We are not going into next season with our rotation, Clase in the back end, Jose, Franmil, Straw, Amed, and superior defensive catching....and waste it with the clown show we have now in the corner outfield...and we are not gonna go thru another full season of rookie try outs.

We are also not gonna watch our upper farm system walk away without getting anything in return.

There is at least $15 mil to spend to go along with an excess of pitching and MIF prospects....which is enough to bring in two significant upgrades, one long term and one short term.

We've held tryouts almost all season. Everybody has gotten a decent look. Outside of Gimenez and Bradley, not one of the others has shown that he can be a regular position player on a first division team. Two week hot streaks don't count.

 

[sportscoach]

The FO has already talked to Pittsburgh about Reynolds and to Cinci about Winker. The FO has been shopping since at least the All Star break.

But beyond that, its common sense.

We are not going into next season with our rotation, Clase in the back end, Jose, Franmil, Straw, Amed, and superior defensive catching....and waste it with the clown show we have now in the corner outfield...and we are not gonna go thru another full season of rookie try outs.

We are also not gonna watch our upper farm system walk away without getting anything in return.

There is at least $15 mil to spend to go along with an excess of pitching and MIF prospects....which is enough to bring in two significant upgrades, one long term and one short term.

We've held tryouts almost all season. Everybody has gotten a decent look. Outside of Gimenez and Bradley, not one of the others has shown that he can be a regular position player on a first division team. Two week hot streaks don't count.

Chang has been one of our better bats over the last month.... plus Chang is about average if not above average in all 4 INF positions... His mistakes at 1B have been more of experience than actual ability. I feel like we will regret letting him go if we do...

 

[CATS44]

Chang has been one of our better bats over the last month.... plus Chang is about average if not above average in all 4 INF positions... His mistakes at 1B have been more of experience than actual ability. I feel like we will regret letting him go if we do...

We have lots of util options. Utils are a dime a dozen.

We NEED regulars.

And, like I said, hot streaks don't count. The FO has to look at the entire body of work.

If all we look at is 50-100 PAs in a vacuum, we can make a case for anybody.

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

The FO has already talked to Pittsburgh about Reynolds and to Cinci about Winker. The FO has been shopping since at least the All Star break.

But beyond that, its common sense.

We are not going into next season with our rotation, Clase in the back end, Jose, Franmil, Straw, Amed, and superior defensive catching....and waste it with the clown show we have now in the corner outfield...and we are not gonna go thru another full season of rookie try outs.

We are also not gonna watch our upper farm system walk away without getting anything in return.

There is at least $15 mil to spend to go along with an excess of pitching and MIF prospects....which is enough to bring in two significant upgrades, one long term and one short term.

We've held tryouts almost all season. Everybody has gotten a decent look. Outside of Gimenez and Bradley, not one of the others has shown that he can be a regular position player on a first division team. Two week hot streaks don't count.

Gimenez? A regular position player on a first division team?

I'm not seeing it.

 

[CATS44]

Gimenez? A regular position player on a first division team?

I'm not seeing it.

I do....besides, the other options are util guys.

Who has had the better year in Cleveland?

Chang has had 228 PAs, and has been worth 0.3 fWAR. Gimenez has had 189 PAs, and has been worth 0.3 fWAR...with plus marks for base running and defense.

Slight advantage Gimenez.

In his career Chang has had 325 PAs for 0 fWAR. Gimenez has had 321 PAs for 1.2 fWAR. Double both of them to make one full season. Chang is worth 0 fWAR. Gimenez 2.4 fWAR.

Advantage Gimenez, and its no contest.

2.4 fWAR may not sound like much, but only six 2Bs in the league put up more...and Gimenez has lots of room for growth...and three years older than Chang.

 

[Kevalier]

The FO has already talked to Pittsburgh about Reynolds and to Cinci about Winker. The FO has been shopping since at least the All Star break.

But beyond that, its common sense.

We are not going into next season with our rotation, Clase in the back end, Jose, Franmil, Straw, Amed, and superior defensive catching....and waste it with the clown show we have now in the corner outfield...and we are not gonna go thru another full season of rookie try outs.

We are also not gonna watch our upper farm system walk away without getting anything in return.

There is at least $15 mil to spend to go along with an excess of pitching and MIF prospects....which is enough to bring in two significant upgrades, one long term and one short term.

We've held tryouts almost all season. Everybody has gotten a decent look. Outside of Gimenez and Bradley, not one of the others has shown that he can be a regular position player on a first division team. Two week hot streaks don't count.

This front office is going to need more than $15 million more from this season's payroll if we want to seriously contend in 2022.

 

[sportscoach]

This front office is going to need more than $15 million more from this season's payroll if we want to seriously contend in 2022.

Even though the numbers have been shown otherwise in other threads?

 

[Kevalier]

Even though the numbers have been shown otherwise in other threads?

This team needs upgrades in the OF, 1B, C and in the bullpen this offseason. Seems like quite a stretch they can adequately address those needs with just $15 million to spend.

 

[sportscoach]

This team needs upgrades in the OF, 1B, C and in the bullpen this offseason. Seems like quite a stretch they can adequately address those needs with just $15 million to spend.

1B usually isn't even that expensive if ya look at the free agency the last few years... 2-3 million would get you a Cron.. Walsh from the Angels isn't in arb yet so that's why I want to target him..

Also C isn't going to anymore expensive than what's planned since a free agent C will be within 2-3 million less than Perez...

Chafin will be 3-4 million a season if we go with him probably.... I dont see us spending anymore than that.

Marte is due 8.4 million in 22 with team option years of 8 million in 23 and 10 million in 24, both with a 1 million buyout... Reynolds will be 3-5 million.

You can get all 4 within about 15 million... most of the arb and current projected raises falls within the number of what Hernandez and Rosario got paid so we would have about 20 million to spend on those 4 positions....

 

[Kevalier]

1B usually isn't even that expensive if ya look at the free agency the last few years... 2-3 million would get you a Cron.. Walsh from the Angels isn't in arb yet so that's why I want to target him..

Also C isn't going to anymore expensive than what's planned since a free agent C will be within 2-3 million less than Perez...

Chafin will be 3-4 million a season if we go with him probably.... I dont see us spending anymore than that.

Marte is due 8.4 million in 22 with team option years of 8 million in 23 and 10 million in 24, both with a 1 million buyout... Reynolds will be 3-5 million.

You can get all 4 within about 15 million... most of the arb and current projected raises falls within the number of what Hernandez and Rosario got paid so we would have about 20 million to spend on those 4 positions....

Cron is having one hell of a season with the Rockies. He's going to cost far more than just a few million although he can likely be had on a one or two year deal.

 

[sportscoach]

Cron is having one hell of a season with the Rockies. He's going to cost far more than just a few million although he can likely be had on a one or two year deal.

Look where Cron is playing... his road numbers are .226/.327/.389 and Career numbers are about .250/.310/.460 and he wasnt even offered a major league contract before this season... If he has been so good, you would expect a major league contract before this season ya know?

 

[CATS44]

We don't need to significantly upgrade anything, but the outfield corners.

That won't cost $15 mil.

One major trade for a first arby player...$4-5 mil.

One FA for $8-10 mil.

You take our rotation and closer, and put this lineup behind it...

Straw
Canha
Jose
Franmil
Bradley
Laureano
Amed
Berto/Hedges
Gimenez

And you have a big time contender.

Well above average rotation + elite closer + elite defense + elite base running + above average OBP + 210 HRs.

For about $65 mil.

 

[thestatman]

Gimenez? A regular position player on a first division team?

I'm not seeing it.

This. Cats' affection for Giminez is mind boggling to me. Next year's 2nd base candidates should be Freeman.,Roccio or Aeias. Don't want Giminez anywhere near this team.

As for utility guy, I give the edge to Chang right now bur Ernie should be given an opportunity to win that in Spring training.

 

[Real Deal]

We don't need to significantly upgrade anything, but the outfield corners.

That won't cost $15 mil.

One major trade for a first arby player...$4-5 mil.

One FA for $8-10 mil.

You take our rotation and closer, and put this lineup behind it...

Straw
Canha
Jose
Franmil
Bradley
Laureano
Amed
Berto/Hedges
Gimenez

And you have a big time contender.

Well above average rotation + elite closer + elite defense + elite base running + above average OBP + 210 HRs.

For about $65 mil.

Berto gotta go, he's not worth anything close to what he will be making.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

We don't need to significantly upgrade anything, but the outfield corners.

That won't cost $15 mil.

One major trade for a first arby player...$4-5 mil.

One FA for $8-10 mil.

You take our rotation and closer, and put this lineup behind it...

Straw
Canha
Jose
Franmil
Bradley
Laureano
Amed
Berto/Hedges
Gimenez

And you have a big time contender.

Well above average rotation + elite closer + elite defense + elite base running + above average OBP + 210 HRs.

For about $65 mil.

I Just don't think that lineup is going to make a significant difference. Our lineup presently is severely offensively challenged. 4 1/2 no-hitters, God knows how many shutouts.
I like Canha, but he's 32. Plus he's just not a difference maker. I don't think Laureono is either.
WE need to acquire a guy that can really barrel up.
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