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2021 Trade Ideas and Deadline talk!

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CalBuckeyeRob said:
The organization should be talking extension with JRam and if they can't get it done now, they should be shopping him now. You have a price; he has a price. They are either close enough that you will figure it out or you need to move the asset at peak value. This season is done. No reason to believe this team will be any closer to the White Sox next year, Minnesota can't be as bad again, and now Detroit is starting to gain traction.
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Minnesota will be going through a retool next season... Detroit and KC are going to the later stages of the rebuild, but won't a force yet in 22, White Soxs will have pretty much the same team with healthy Eloy, Madrigal etc back for 22... I think the Guardians will be second place again in the division, but the difference between 2-5 won't be very much.
 
I was holding out hope that this team could make a run in the second half. It's still possible, but highly unlikely as they are missing some pieces. Thing is, the game plan for the trade deadline shouldn't change and they should be looking to make this team better now and going forward IMO.
 
Deal Cesar, dump Eddie, dangle Harold and Shaw.

Harold isn't longterm with his defense. But maybe a postseason team will value his bat.
 
Eddie and Harold are more likely DFA candidates than anything else.

Just keep bringing back Shaw in the off-season, but he’s not bringing back much of anything either.
 
AZ_ said:
Eddie and Harold are more likely DFA candidates than anything else.

Just keep bringing back Shaw in the off-season, but he’s not bringing back much of anything either.
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Think they’ll pivot quickly to even more youth in the lineup for the remainder of the season with another two sub .500 weeks?
 
AZ_ said:
Eddie and Harold are more likely DFA candidates than anything else.

Just keep bringing back Shaw in the off-season, but he’s not bringing back much of anything either.
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With HRam still not in arbitration yet (won't be until 23) I don't think they will release him. I wish they could find a position he could play at even league avg since his bat actually isn't bad. He's a better athlete than he looks as well. Aka they won't DFA him, but they would trade him for the right price. I just see him apart of the 40 man for 22...

if they can get anything for Eddie, I think they would do that before releasing him, even if it's just international bonus money...
 
MirORich said:
Think they’ll pivot quickly to even more youth in the lineup for the remainder of the season with another two sub .500 weeks?
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With the trade deadline coming up and them being so far out, I think it's best to save some money (move Eddie and Hernandez cutting off around 5-6 million dollars) and just letting the youth play. I personally feel like come July 31st they could have Luplow back (or just about back) with 2-3 new players on the 40 man roster..
 
Off load for ___________________________ ... Trade away ___[old guys]___ for_______________________...

-Teams looking to make additions to their playoff teams are numerous.. teams looking to off load/trade away/etc.. are numerous, as well.. John Paul Morosi, not to be outdone by Heyman.. posts the same unsupported/unsubstantiated non-rumor.. about JRam.. Plesac.. and all the Indians veterans in their last contract year or the CLEFO holds their option of their contract.. All are going to be mentioned as trade candidates..

and have been..

and will be repeated..

The question isn't if they're going to be traded.. (that's inevitable) The question is.. what do the Indians need.. if..

Corner Infielders: If and when JRam is traded.. do the indians need his replacement coming back.. Short term.. perhaps no, but it depends on who that someone is.. Bobby Bradley is swinging hard in case he makes contact.. and he is making contact from time to time.. As he matures and gets more AB's at the ML level.. he should become quite a power source. Perhaps Franmill will dedicate himself to learning 1B during the offseason?... again? Nolan Jones, Gabriel Arias, Owen Miller, Ernie Clement, Yu Chang, Gabriel Rodriguez, and down the road, Jonkensey Noel are all poised to move into the hot corner role.. At least half these guys may be better suited to be 1B'ers..

Outfielders: The current surprise is how well Brad Zimmer is playing.. against everyone including the elite/playoff teams.. He's an incredible defensive player that makes everyone in the outfield better. His offense has been encouraging. The other OF'ers on the roster are, at the very least, flawed in some fashion.. Eddie Rosario, who historically killed it against the Indians at Progressive Field... is hitting like he still plays for the twins (i.e. against the Indians).. Big Harold is a big error maker & O.M.G., if he has two strikes, the pitcher should be fined for throwing the ball anywhere NEAR the plate.. Jet Johnson isn't fast enough to make up for the wrong routes to any ball hit over his head. He's almost comically bad on liners right at him.. His hitting is getting, though. Mercado is a bit timid defensively, imho, but a capable OF'er who can go get the ball nearly as well as Zimmer. Franmill Reyes is not a lumbering oaf in the field.. he can actually play.. and would be an incredible bonus if he could lose thirty or so pounds so that he could become a bona fide RF'er. The Guys coming in the minors all have a chance to be exceptional, both defensively as well as with the stick.. This includes Palacios, Halpin, Greene and Valera.. This small group could be larger and should be if a premium veteran is being dealt..

Pitching.. is the strength of the club.. it's becoming clear that the Indians # 1 need is left handed. Both RP's as well as SP's. Hentges may prove to be a partial answer to the LHRP.. There are several other candidates for LHRP, but, are currently learning their craft in the MiLB as SP's.. That will change.. If a LHP is the primary target in any deal.. the Indians could do worse..

Catching: the number one deficiency in the Indians system.. The ML club back stops are as good as there are defensively.. but, offer next to nothing offensively. Most clubs would tolerate a great defensive backstop as the back up.. The Indians, essentially, have two back up catchers who's hit tool is only a rumor.. The Bart suggestion makes a LOT of sense.. He's not the only 'blocked' C out there.. The Fatboy from the Jays.. isn't worthy of discussion, but, wouldn't be turned away if an Eddie or a Cesar were the only returns..

Thoughts?...
 
Eddie isn't even able to play now. I'll be shocked if we can move him this week. Hernandez, maybe, but I'm not expecting it. He really hasn't been very good this year. His defense is a net negative and offense is HR or bust. I think we could get something decent for Shaw and maybe Wittgren. Of course Plesac, but I don't think now's the time to trade him. Timing is just very bad for us this year.
 
Makes no sense not to see what prospects (albeit small) you can get for vets like Cesar, Perez, Shaw, Wittgren... and more importantly give guys like Owen Miller, D Johnson, Gimenez, Nolan Jones, Arias, Oscar Gonzalez (maybe) and some of our young pitchers two months to get their feet wet. Any other plan is just non sense at this point.
 
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