2021 Trade Ideas and Deadline talk!

[sportscoach]

Makes no sense not to see what prospects (albeit small) you can get for vets like Cesar, Perez, Shaw, Wittgren... and more importantly give guys like Owen Miller, D Johnson, Gimenez, Nolan Jones, Arias, Oscar Gonzalez (maybe) and some of our young pitchers two months to get their feet wet. Any other plan is just non sense at this point.

I don't think Perez or Hedges are going anywhere, but otherwise I agree with ya

 

[Kevalier]

After being reluctant to trade Cesar Hernandez at this deadline, I have come around to flipping him now if there is a respectable return. I actually could very well see Cesar, Berto, and Shaw all being dealt with Eddie Rosario eventually DFA’d. The Giants make a lot of sense for Cesar, while the Astros could certainly use some help at the catching position so I could see Berto being dealt there. Obviously, a number of teams need help in the pen, so Shaw will likely find a new home before the end of the week.

 

[Steve_424]

I'd love to swap Cesar for a ML-ready OF. We're probably looking more at low-level prospects in a return but it's (still) a glaring need moving forward.

Catcher will be Berto or Hedges next year. First base will be Bradley or Naylor. Middle infield has plenty of options - Rosario, Gimenez, Miller, Clement, Chang, Freeman, Arias. 3B better be Jose.

I think Jones/Luplow form a natural platoon in RF, at least early in Jones' career. But Harold can't field and Zimmer/Mercado seem more like 4th OFs.

 

[Real Deal]

After being reluctant to trade Cesar Hernandez at this deadline, I have come around to flipping him now if there is a respectable return. I actually could very well see Cesar, Berto, and Shaw all being dealt with Eddie Rosario eventually DFA’d. The Giants make a lot of sense for Cesar, while the Astros could certainly use some help at the catching position so I could see Berto being dealt there. Obviously, a number of teams need help in the pen, so Shaw will likely find a new home before the end of the week.

I think we net a satisfying return for a 2B with 17 HRs and another year left (club option). The time to sale is today though.

 

[DCTribefan]

Off load for ___________________________ ... Trade away ___[old guys]___ for_______________________...

-Teams looking to make additions to their playoff teams are numerous.. teams looking to off load/trade away/etc.. are numerous, as well.. John Paul Morosi, not to be outdone by Heyman.. posts the same unsupported/unsubstantiated non-rumor.. about JRam.. Plesac.. and all the Indians veterans in their last contract year or the CLEFO holds their option of their contract.. All are going to be mentioned as trade candidates..

and have been..

and will be repeated..

The question isn't if they're going to be traded.. (that's inevitable) The question is.. what do the Indians need.. if..

Corner Infielders: If and when JRam is traded.. do the indians need his replacement coming back.. Short term.. perhaps no, but it depends on who that someone is.. Bobby Bradley is swinging hard in case he makes contact.. and he is making contact from time to time.. As he matures and gets more AB's at the ML level.. he should become quite a power source. Perhaps Franmill will dedicate himself to learning 1B during the offseason?... again? Nolan Jones, Gabriel Arias, Owen Miller, Ernie Clement, Yu Chang, Gabriel Rodriguez, and down the road, Jonkensey Noel are all poised to move into the hot corner role.. At least half these guys may be better suited to be 1B'ers..

Outfielders: The current surprise is how well Brad Zimmer is playing.. against everyone including the elite/playoff teams.. He's an incredible defensive player that makes everyone in the outfield better. His offense has been encouraging. The other OF'ers on the roster are, at the very least, flawed in some fashion.. Eddie Rosario, who historically killed it against the Indians at Progressive Field... is hitting like he still plays for the twins (i.e. against the Indians).. Big Harold is a big error maker & O.M.G., if he has two strikes, the pitcher should be fined for throwing the ball anywhere NEAR the plate.. Jet Johnson isn't fast enough to make up for the wrong routes to any ball hit over his head. He's almost comically bad on liners right at him.. His hitting is getting, though. Mercado is a bit timid defensively, imho, but a capable OF'er who can go get the ball nearly as well as Zimmer. Franmill Reyes is not a lumbering oaf in the field.. he can actually play.. and would be an incredible bonus if he could lose thirty or so pounds so that he could become a bona fide RF'er. The Guys coming in the minors all have a chance to be exceptional, both defensively as well as with the stick.. This includes Palacios, Halpin, Greene and Valera.. This small group could be larger and should be if a premium veteran is being dealt..

Pitching.. is the strength of the club.. it's becoming clear that the Indians # 1 need is left handed. Both RP's as well as SP's. Hentges may prove to be a partial answer to the LHRP.. There are several other candidates for LHRP, but, are currently learning their craft in the MiLB as SP's.. That will change.. If a LHP is the primary target in any deal.. the Indians could do worse..

Catching: the number one deficiency in the Indians system.. The ML club back stops are as good as there are defensively.. but, offer next to nothing offensively. Most clubs would tolerate a great defensive backstop as the back up.. The Indians, essentially, have two back up catchers who's hit tool is only a rumor.. The Bart suggestion makes a LOT of sense.. He's not the only 'blocked' C out there.. The Fatboy from the Jays.. isn't worthy of discussion, but, wouldn't be turned away if an Eddie or a Cesar were the only returns..

Thoughts?...

Fat boy from the Jays.

 

[DerekG123]

I don't think Perez or Hedges are going anywhere, but otherwise I agree with ya

I agree they probably won't. But wouldn't hurt to Guage the market for a defensive catcher.

 

[xmasbuck]

Morosi just tweeted - there are no active trade talks going on between Cleveland and any other mob team re Jose Ramirez - apparently the asking price is too high -- fwiw, lol

 

[CDAV45]

I don't think Perez or Hedges are going anywhere, but otherwise I agree with ya

I don't know if they are going anywhere or not, but this organization is not going to pay $11M+ for 2 C that can't hit jackshit. They suck terribly with a bat in their hand and all the defense in the world won't make up for it. One of Perez or Hedges needs to go and be replaced with a C that at least has some offensive upside. I don't give a shit what anyone here says. You don't need 2 C like the ones we have. I'd rather have one of Perez/Hedges and Ramos at this point.

 

[CDAV45]

Morosi just tweeted - there are no active trade talks going on between Cleveland and any other mob team re Jose Ramirez - apparently the asking price is too high -- fwiw, lol

Well no shit Jon.

 

[JMcCurry08]

 

[AZ_]

Curious what their plain is for Frazier with Cronenworth having an All Star caliber season at 2B, Tatis at SS, Machado at 3B.

Pham in LF, Grisham in CF, Myers in RF.

Unless they’re sending Hosmer to the bench, how do you get this guy ABs?

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Brewers were in on Frazier, but lost out. Maybe Cesar can be a consolation prize

 

[sportscoach]

Curious what their plain is for Frazier with Cronenworth having an All Star caliber season at 2B, Tatis at SS, Machado at 3B.

Pham in LF, Grisham in CF, Myers in RF.

Unless they’re sending Hosmer to the bench, how do you get this guy ABs?

No clue on that one looking at the roster and numbers, but they will find a way... I don't exactly see who pirates got back in return yet though.

 

[southernflyer]

Curious what their plain is for Frazier with Cronenworth having an All Star caliber season at 2B, Tatis at SS, Machado at 3B.

Pham in LF, Grisham in CF, Myers in RF.

Unless they’re sending Hosmer to the bench, how do you get this guy ABs?

2B/ OF Super utility rotating days off, playing 3-4x a week? He has played 1 game at SS back in 2017 and 6 at 3B in 2016/2017.

 

[sportscoach]

I don't know if they are going anywhere or not, but this organization is not going to pay $11M+ for 2 C that can't hit jackshit. They suck terribly with a bat in their hand and all the defense in the world won't make up for it. One of Perez or Hedges needs to go and be replaced with a C that at least has some offensive upside. I don't give a shit what anyone here says. You don't need 2 C like the ones we have. I'd rather have one of Perez/Hedges and Ramos at this point.

With the young pitchers, you need veteran catchers behind the plate... I am not compromising development of our pitchers right now over the fact our catchers aren't hitting...