Browns hire Andrew Berry

[Soda]

He doesn't seem to have much actual authority -- he makes recommendations. And he is accountable to Jimmy for the recommendations he makes.

Do you have any actual evidence that his recommendations to Jimmy have been a net negative, or are you just assuming --without having any actual evidence -- that the Browns have been following his recommendations, and that's why he should be fired?

Well, him sticking his nose into football ops is an issue for me. He's still producing player data after vocalizing that he didn't like Carson Wentz very much. He was a part of the organization that passed on Watson thereafter (don't say he wasn't involved; that ship sailed when he told us he was involved in the Wentz decision).

These are things you'd know about my opinion if you consciously tried to have a discussion.

I think the problem is that you haven't explained your basis for assuming that DePodesta has done something worthy of being criticized. You don't know what his recommendations were, you don't know which of his recommendations were followed and which weren't.

How can you make a valid criticism of that guy without knowing any of that? I truly don't understand. He may very well deserve all the criticism you're giving him. But there's no way for us to know that.

My man. Read my posts if you want to come like this. You're firing from the hip. Rafters consumed the posts and provided a retort & that's the best we've got. The Mods aren't here to stoke with passive aggressive posts & personal attacks. I had said my peace & here you come. SMH.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Well, him sticking his nose into football ops is an issue for me. He's still producing player data after vocalizing that he didn't like Carson Wentz very much. He was a part of the organization that passed on Watson thereafter (don't say he wasn't involved; that ship sailed when he told us he was involved in the Wentz decision).

These are things you'd know about my opinion if you consciously tried to have a discussion.

So because he wasn't right on Carson Wentz, he shouldn't have any more input on players? There is absolutely nobody in the NFL who is always right on every player, so if that is your standard, then you're not going to be satisfied with anyone.

And while he was "part of the organization that passed on Watson", we don't know what his specific recommendation was. It is entirely possible he liked Watson, but did not have decision-making authority so the team passed on him. Neither you nor anyone else knows here knows that one way or the other. What was his position on Mahomes, and/or any of the other players on which the Browns passed that, in retrospect, would have been better picks? We don't know.

You're taking one decision regarding one player, and extrapolating that as being representative of everything he has done. That simply isn't reasonable.

 

[MoFlo]

So because he wasn't right on Carson Wentz, he shouldn't have any more input on players? There is absolutely nobody in the NFL who is always right on every player, so if that is your standard, then you're not going to be satisfied with anyone.

And while he was "part of the organization that passed on Watson", we don't know what his specific recommendation was. It is entirely possible he liked Watson, but did not have decision-making authority so the team passed on him. Neither you nor anyone else knows here knows that one way or the other. What was his position on Mahomes, and/or any of the other players on which the Browns passed that, in retrospect, would have been better picks? We don't know.

You're taking one decision regarding one player, and extrapolating that as being representative of everything he has done. That simply isn't reasonable.

Haslam being one of the handful of people knowing how often Depodesta's been right/wrong, what all he's recommended, etc, and keeping him, makes me feel good about Depo's history regarding his recommendations.

There's no proof that Depo has had any kind of shift in power between the Sashi/Dorsey years. There's also no proof that he's gained any power now, at least not in regards to decision making power. His role seemingly has stayed the same throughout - Chief Strategy Officer with no actual decision making power in personnel.

Going back to the Wolf statement for a second, he's completely ignoring the fact that people are always going to be wrong on something. The in fighting & finger pointing isn't something only the Browns have experienced. We've seen it happen in multiple franchises. It's nothing new. The main problem on our end was that the HC & GM had completely different organizational philosophies than the CSO, so it made it that much easier & made us more susceptible to finger pointing and playing the blame game.

With the current set-up, with the organizational philosophies all in sync, it makes us no more susceptible to in fighting than any other franchise in the league.

 

[AllforOne]

Haslam being one of the handful of people knowing how often Depodesta's been right/wrong, what all he's recommended, etc, and keeping him, makes me feel good about Depo's history regarding his recommendations.

There's no proof that Depo has had any kind of shift in power between the Sashi/Dorsey years. There's also no proof that he's gained any power now, at least not in regards to decision making power. His role seemingly has stayed the same throughout - Chief Strategy Officer with no actual decision making power in personnel.

I'm actually encouraged that Haslam has kept DePo around (and, in turn, that DePo has stuck around despite seeing multiple key decisions that conflicted with his recommendations). Maybe it's an optimistic reading of the tea leaves, but I tend to think that Haslam has realized that he has made some mistakes, and he's trying to learn from them. He didn't get to be CEO/majority owner of a company with nearly $30B revenues by being an idiot.

Going back to the Wolf statement for a second, he's completely ignoring the fact that people are always going to be wrong on something. The in fighting & finger pointing isn't something only the Browns have experienced. We've seen it happen in multiple franchises. It's nothing new. The main problem on our end was that the HC & GM had completely different organizational philosophies than the CSO, so it made it that much easier & made us more susceptible to finger pointing and playing the blame game. With the current set-up, with the organizational philosophies all in sync, it makes us no more susceptible to in fighting than any other franchise in the league.

But it's clear where the blame should be ... on that computer that (beep-beep-boop) the new Browns use to make all their personnel and in-game decisions.

Football guy gonna football guy. If it puts his mind at ease to create a world where it's the nerds versus those who actually played the game (BTW, be polite, and don't point out that DePo, Berry, and Stefanski all played in college), then so be it.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

He didn't get to be CEO/majority owner of a company with nearly $30B revenues by being an idiot.

He got it by swimming faster than the other sperm

any time you’ve got a III after your name it’s usually a pretty good indicator you aren’t a self made man

him not even knowing (or so he claims) about the rebate scandal that went on at his company is decently strong evidence that he may in fact be an idiot. Or at the very least not nearly involved enough in the company to get credit for its success

Apologies to @The Oi III and @Triplethreat III

 

[AllforOne]

He got it by swimming faster than the other sperm

any time you’ve got a III after your name it’s usually a pretty good indicator you aren’t a self made man

Well, it was his father who started Pilot, not his grandfather. But yes, he did have a head start in life.

That said: in the 24 years since III became chairman/CEO of the company, they’ve expanded from a regional chain to a national/international one, with a much larger footprint and much greater revenues/profits. He spearheaded the merger with Flying J a decade ago, which again made them a much larger company.

There’s more to it than just picking the right parents.

 

[MoFlo]

 

[natedagg]

I love Berry. There was an article in here posted about his past, from kid to adult, and how he almost went the investment banking route.
He just seems sharp as fuck. Might not be the best in the world, and he is young (a knock now but likely a tremendous plus if he works out), but this dude is driven and intelligent.

In a league with some head-scratching old-boys-club staffing decisions, I think this hire is fresh.

As far as Dorsey, the news of him throwing an analytics report in the trash is just terrible on so many levels. That one, to me, is just a big no no. The drafting was good, but really, as I think Boobie pointed out, this last year was hands down our most disappointing year. The Kitchens hire would be forgivable to me, but the personnel moves and the cap use and the non-negotiation with pending FAs, you add it all up and we aren’t going to miss him.

I am excited for next year (shocker), but really I am cautiously optimistic that we will have something stable & sustainable.

 

[MoFlo]

 

[MoFlo]

 

[MoFlo]

 

[JDailey23]

This Berry guy isn’t gonna work. He sounds to smart and intelligent. We need a normal meat head, football guy.
I mean, he can’t even talk his way into a closer parking spot.

 

[red.]

 

[Jordan]

This dude is fucking smart.

 

[MD13]

This was one of the things that really got me about Dorsey from the moment he was drafted. He would cut or trade some of Sashi’s guys and replace them with worse talent for no reason except for the fact that they were his. Thank god we got rid of him in time to hopefully save guys like Scho, Higgins, Njoku, etc.