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Cleveland Guardians Offseason Discussion 2021-22

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Franmil...

What current players were in the team name video reveal the most? Bieber, Jose & Franmil (each player 2 times)

Which current players had posed clips in the video (ie not game highlights/ post-game highlights)? Jose & Franmil.

I shy away from extending "DH only" players myself. However if Franmil ends up being a position player a bit more I can warm up to it. Also, I guess it wouldn't break the bank, but personally a Franmil extension is lower on my list of this off-season's budget items.
 
I don't have any illusions about how difficult is to pull off a trade in MLB, but I also don't think it's completely far fetched that the team could find a way to complete a trade for an above-average outfielder. Zack Meisel reported that they had conversations this past deadline with Pittsburgh about Bryan Reynolds and with Cincinnati about Jesse Winker, although I don't anticipate either of those players being traded this offseason.

Sure, they could end up signing Corey Dickerson to a spring training invite and have him compete with Bradley Zimmer for the starting RF job, but I also expect them to seriously explore the trade market for an impact outfielder.
I think it’s very far-fetched. Any talk of trading for an above average MLB player is time wasted, in my opinion.

But you do you. I won’t waste my own time raining on your parade :chuckle:
 
I think it’s very far-fetched. Any talk of trading for an above average MLB player is time wasted, in my opinion.

But you do you. I won’t waste my own time raining on your parade :chuckle:
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I am not suggesting it will be a huge extension for Franmil, but I can see them getting items done with multiple pitchers and multiple position/ everyday players.

No person (or player) likes to be embarrassed or put in a position to look foolish.

IF Franmil can get to the point of playing 2x a week in the field (at some spot) it will open up the DH role to give pseudo rest for other lineup regulars (JRam, etc). I suspect getting some financial security will help Franmil work & get to a point of some competence in the field (not sit back and do less like some others)..
 
From IBI/ Justin Lada twitter today (10/6/21):

Cleveland's 2021 AFL Roster starting Oct. 18
INF Jose Tena
OF Richie Palacios
RHP Aaron Pinto
LHP Matt Turner
RHP Damon Cassetta-Stubbs
LHP Tanner Tully
C Michael Amditis
 
I think the Guardians will look to acquire one long-term bat (locked up 2-3 years) in a trade and will definitely add a stopgap bat on a one year deal through free agency.

The long-term fits could be Mulllins, Reynolds, Winker, Marte.

The stopgap could be Canha, Pham, McCutchen, Dickerson, Soler, Calhoun.
 
The FO is now at the point of the Fram oil filter commercial....

Pay me (prospects) now, or pay me later.

Over the next 14 months, we have so many prospects that need to be protected, that we will lose some if we don't trade them.

A reasonable case can be made for protecting about a dozen this year...which can't be done, if the FO plans to contend in 2022.

A reasonable case can be made for close to that many next year. Some of the names...

Martinez
Naylor
Brennan
Hankins
Curry
Gaddis
Battenfield
Rodriguez
Torres
Stubbs
Sanquinton
Plus anyone that survives the R5 this year.

It makes absolutely no sense to acquire and develop young talent to the point that they look like they can play in MLB when you can't fit them onto a roster, then sit on them until they either lose all value or end up playing against us, without getting anything in return.

I'd much rather overpay for a productive MLB bat than to give talent away. Every young player/prospect we lose for nothing, due to inaction, is an overpay.

The price of inaction is often higher than the price of overpaying. The price of bold action is often a lot less.

Which was the better deal?

Frazier, Sheffield, Heller, and Feyereisen for Miller?

Never trading Zimmer, Chang, and Greg Allen for anything?

Never making a decision on Aguilar, Haase, and Guthrie until they had lost all value?

Ever wonder what we could have gotten for Zimmer, Chang, Bradley, Haase, and Allen when they were prospects?

Going into 2017...

Zimmer was a 55 FV and MLB ready.
Allen was a 50 FV and MLB ready.
Chang was a 45 FV and two years away.
Bradley was a 45 FV and two years away.

The next year, Bradley and Chang were 50 FVs. Haase was a 45 FV and MLB ready.

Thats a total of one 55, three 50s, and a 45 for which we received 2.4 fWAR combined.

The cost of not trading high end prospects when there is no room for them is extremely high. You can compare them to any set of prospects we have now.
 
I am not suggesting it will be a huge extension for Franmil, but I can see them getting items done with multiple pitchers and multiple position/ everyday players.

No person (or player) likes to be embarrassed or put in a position to look foolish.

IF Franmil can get to the point of playing 2x a week in the field (at some spot) it will open up the DH role to give pseudo rest for other lineup regulars (JRam, etc). I suspect getting some financial security will help Franmil work & get to a point of some competence in the field (not sit back and do less like some others)..
The biggest obstacle in a Franmil extension is the fact that Scott Boras is his agent. Because of that reason, I would be very surprised if an extension is reached at any point between he and the club.
 
The biggest obstacle in a Franmil extension is the fact that Scott Boras is his agent. Because of that reason, I would be very surprised if an extension is reached at any point between he and the club.
Since when??...

The contract chart on baseball reference has Boras as the agent to Austin Hedges and Optimum Baseball as the agent to Franmil..
 
Since when??...

The contract chart on baseball reference has Boras as the agent to Austin Hedges and Optimum Baseball as the agent to Franmil..
2019

It was reported by Jon Heyman back in June of that year. Also reflected on Spotrac.

 
I agree Cats.... one minor area of 'negligence' of the FO is in the area of gaining the most value from prospects by trading them rather than letting them rot in the minors. IDK whether they are so concerned about missing on the next Jesus Aguilar or what, but we've allowed far too many position players to rot on the vine.
 
I agree Cats.... one minor area of 'negligence' of the FO is in the area of gaining the most value from prospects by trading them rather than letting them rot in the minors. IDK whether they are so concerned about missing on the next Jesus Aguilar or what, but we've allowed far too many position players to rot on the vine.

Can we stop this line of thinking? Literally the 3rd time I've seen it this week alone.

It is unbelievable the amount of times this gets brought up without context.
 
I suspect Boras was before Optimum... Otherwise Baseball Reference is incorrect in multiple spots (that they update each year)..

Once people used Sportrac as "proof" that CLE has no money committed beyond 2021, I deleted it from my saved list. That was misleading & inaccurate..

Here is the top of the Reyes page from Baseball reference:

Franmil Reyes
Positions: Designated Hitter and Rightfielder
Bats: Right • Throws: Right
6-5, 265lb (196cm, 120kg)
Team: Cleveland Indians (majors)
Born: July 7, 1995 (Age: 26-091d) in Sabana Grande de Palenque, Dominican Republic do
Debut: May 14, 2018 (Age 22-311d, 21,654th in major league history)
vs. COL 4 AB, 0 H, 0 HR, 0 RBI, 0 SB
Rookie Status: Exceeded rookie limits during 2018 season
2021 Contract Status: Pre-Arb Eligible
Service Time (01/2021): 2.115 • Arb Eligible: 2022 • Free Agent: 2025
Agents: Optimum Baseball
Full Name: Franmil Federico Reyes

Nicknames: La Mole

View Player Info from the B-R Bullpen

@BimboColesHair : Any insights into this piece of confusion??
 
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