Collin Sexton | The Young Bull

[mhi]

Coaches continue to break down film so Sexton can see through the game. Staff members believe he’s looking more inward while driving and believe he would benefit from expanding that vision outward, searching for kick-out 3s in a crowd. Beilein saw signs of that Wednesday night, pointing to Sexton’s pair of secondary assists. Sexton didn’t actually get credit for either one. But they led to six points.

Is he still dribbling with his head down? It also sounds like the staff is saying when he drives, he's doing it to score. Smart players know where their teammates are or are going to be before they drive.

We should probably try him in a bench role to see how he performs there.

 

[weepinwillow]

Stop drafting 19 year old point guards. You want a pg draft one that had 2-3 years in college. To expect to draft a 19 year old and have him be an effective pg in little over a year. Is just dumb
Alternative is give him a couple years to develop. Nah. Just trade him now

Age is a horseshit excuse. He's a 2nd year NBA veteran (who's now 20 years old, and will be 21 in two weeks).
I heard the same crap about Ricky Davis, Darius Miles, Smush Parker, and DuJaun Wagner. "Give them time to develop." "He's only 21.. he's only 20.. he's only 19..."
Will someone please tell me the EXACT age one should expect the right basketball play to be made? We can issue hall passes to these guys until they reach it. When the media points it out in pressers, Beilien can say, "Well, Collin still has his bad decisions hall pass, so we can't really hold him accountable for not rotating the ball."

 

[weepinwillow]

Is he still dribbling with his head down? It also sounds like the staff is saying when he drives, he's doing it to score. Smart players know where their teammates are or are going to be before they drive.

We should probably try him in a bench role to see how he performs there.

He should make a conscious effort to just move the ball side to side or feed the post. If he'd do that, he'd start to see where the lanes and scoring opportunities open themselves up.

 

[Kouki]

The passes he makes in traffic to TT are dumb and are probably a result of people just telling him to pass more. I don't fault TT one bit for bumbling a lot of them.

Love actually did a good job of demonstrating what Sexton should be doing last game. Got the ball at the 3-pt line, drove maybe not even to the elbow and kicked it out to opposite wing. Those are the passes Sexton needs to be making.

 

[inliner311]

Age is a horseshit excuse. He's a 2nd year NBA veteran (who's now 20 years old, and will be 21 in two weeks).
I heard the same crap about Ricky Davis, Darius Miles, Smush Parker, and DuJaun Wagner. "Give them time to develop." "He's only 21.. he's only 20.. he's only 19..."
Will someone please tell me the EXACT age one should expect the right basketball play to be made? We can issue hall passes to these guys until they reach it. When the media points it out in pressers, Beilien can say, "Well, Collin still has his bad decisions hall pass, so we can't really hold him accountable for not rotating the ball."

I think typically year 3 is where you want to see a player play more consistently and turn the corner. By the end of year 3, I think most teams know what they have in a player, then the decision is to extend them, waiting for restricted free agency, or to try to trade them.

Look at Pascal Siakam, years 1 and 2 he was just a no name rotation player then he is most improved player in year 3. Now in year 4 he looks like he will be a sure in to be an All Star selection.

 

[Lumthemad]

I always try and shape things from a logic point of view. Who among you were amazing at your job at an elite level RIGHT AWAY? We all have to grow into learning things and apply them to what we do well. There was a good article by Fedor today and it had some K'Love quotes stating there are a lot of reasons to believe in this kid. And for those forgetting how YOUNG 20 is, think about what you were doing at that age.

Hell Sexton might ever be a star but i love the kids heart. Yes, he makes dumb plays at times but he can learn from all of that and will TRY.

 

[weepinwillow]

To be clear: I don't want the Cavs to just give up on Sexton. Kid is clearly talented, has a great motor and is thirsty to get better. I just wonder if he wants to get better in the spots he actually needs to get better at.

I'm just saying he's likely their strongest trade chip outside of Garland and their top 10 protected draft pick for this coming year which they won't move for anyone short of________ (Zion, Luka). Trading and drafting well is going to be the blueprint for the Cavs to get better. Maybe the occasional scrap heap free agent signing hit.

So, knowing all that, if I'm Altman I'm fielding calls on Sexton. I'm not out there dangling him in every trade talk, but he's not on some untouchable list.

 

[LeeBuckeye]

Sexton has a few things working against him:

(1) Kyrie Trade: horse is beyond dead but unfortunately he’s tied to said dead horse
(2) Not trading the nets pick for one last shot at a title (I agreed with the decision b/c of the caliber of the Top 5 2018 draft). Easy to argue with hindsight.
(3) Cavs didn't get the sure thing in Doncic who is playing like a top 5 player in his 2nd year (Laziness from 2018 team probably birthed Sexton in Gilbert's mind)
(4) Koby drafted another small guard, who is objectively playing worse but is the new shiny object, and this has predictably created some friction with role ambiguity.

Outside of Kevin Love the rest of the roster are 8th-10th option role players on a contending team. Unfortunately none of them can create open looks on a consistent basis so they have to rely on a speedy score first guard who doesn't have the best vision. Nevertheless, we're far from contending so trading talent such as Sexton does what exactly? Although I do find the humor in trading him for Bamba. Another guy who an NBA team would be foolish to trade this early behind an all-star center. He shoots threes and blocks shots and is a prototypical modern big.

 

[Cavatt]

Jesus. He had a pretty good game passing the ball last night. 4 assists, 2 hockey assists passing to the corner. After shooting efficiently and that, all people can talk about are the missed seeing to Kevin and the assist he missed in transition to Cedi.

In the article it says guys are shooting 56 percent off his passes this year up 8 points. He is getting the ball to his teammates more on time and target.

I think he is making progress. Needs to get his 3 pt shot right and stop getting so deep with no plan.

 

[RedBlackAttack]

Sexton has a few things working against him:

(1) Kyrie Trade: horse is beyond dead but unfortunately he’s tied to said dead horse

Literally *any* return would be more beneficial than what the Celtics got in the deal. To me, the fact that Collin is tied to the Kyrie trade is not a negative thing for us. The Celtics lost their assets and have been left hating Kyrie far worse than Cavs fans ever have. lol

 

[Cavatt]

Literally *any* return would be more beneficial than what the Celtics got in the deal. To me, the fact that Collin is tied to the Kyrie trade is not a negative thing for us. The Celtics lost their assets and have been left hating Kyrie far worse than Cavs fans ever have. lol

We also got a championship from Kyrie. That's better than losing a lottery pick.

 

[Rich]

Just one time I'd like to see him catch the ball and swing it w/o thinking. Just once. I don't think he can do it.

 

[cabs]

20 years old with a relentless work ethic, getting plenty of playing time, and a coaching staff dedicated to teaching and player development.

This is a guy who comes back at midnight after a game to work on his skills.

My money says he gets better.

6'1 guard that can't shoot or pass needs to get a LOT better

 

[Cavatt]

6'1 guard that can't shoot or pass needs to get a LOT better

Sucked all night and then won the game in the clutch. What are people seeing here? Assist from Sexton put them up for good, and that offensive rebound sealed it. Contributed in other ways then scoring tonight

Morant had 10 assists, but there was so much good ball movement, it is hard to attribute assists to just one guy tonight on the Cavs. Delly had 8 and was awesome.

 

[cabs]

Sucked all night and then won the game in the clutch. What are people seeing here? Assist from Sexton put them up for good, and that offensive rebound sealed it. Contributed in other ways then scoring tonight

Morant had 10 assists, but there was so much good ball movement, it is hard to attribute assists to just one guy tonight on the Cavs. Delly had 8 and was awesome.

He had a good 3 minutes at the end and a pretty horrific 22 minutes prior... His passing is terrible a couple of assists here or there dont make up for his continual refusal to move the ball

Morant was poor for most of the game, Garland defended him very well.