Collin Sexton | The Young Bull

[BigZ94]

Is he being asked to pass though? I think Beilein has been content with the consistent scoring Sexton has given so he can keep the team in games and not push the team into further drama.

I could see Beilein pushing the issue with Sexton's passing in the second half of the season especially if Love and the other vets are moved at the trade deadline.

Also after looking at the assist numbers and how the guards progressed in the 10 year of Beilein at Michigan, I've temper my expectations that he is going to develop Sexton or any of the guards quickly. Beilein seem to take 2 years to get guys assist numbers up even when he didn't have any better choices.

Fingers crossed, but that was college. At the NBA level you either have it or you don’t, you can’t teach vision that guys like luka lebron magic Paul etc have, just like you can’t unteach selfish tendencies to guys Like Ricky Davis, Melo. A coach can teach a guy to run sets and encourage you to be unselfish. But an NBA guard should understand when his big is posting up a 6ft guard, or when there’s a guy open 6/7 feet away from you, I don’t think a coach can help with tunnel vision this blatant.

 

[CleveRocks]

So we heard when he was drafted about his ability to score in traffic at Alabama. There were clips of him dribbling into four guys and getting the bucket anyway. At the time we said he was playing on a team with no other talent.. Well it turns out he does not know how to facilitate, either because he has never had anyone capable of finishing, or because his BBIQ is that low.

Now we talk about his key problem on defense is getting lost, not understanding the opposition offense. This also points to a low BBIQ..

Add to this that the vets with loose lips, whoever they were, complained about him not knowing how to play basketball..

He has skills and athleticism, but he doesn't have the feel for the game. I think the question is, can he learn that, or is he even willing to learn that? Because if he can over say the next two years, then you keep him, because you will get a better haul in trade.. But if you don't see the recognition that change is needed, you trade him and move on..

That by the way is not hating on Sexton.. I like the kid and his work ethic.. But at this level, every successful player is a student of the game. If he doesn't get it, they won't play with him.. it's like a guy who is technically fantastic on a guitar, but hasn't learned to play with the band.. you drop him in an experience jazz quartet, and he would just fuck up the music..

 

[avs2000]

So we heard when he was drafted about his ability to score in traffic at Alabama. There were clips of him dribbling into four guys and getting the bucket anyway. At the time we said he was playing on a team with no other talent.. Well it turns out he does not know how to facilitate, either because he has never had anyone capable of finishing, or because his BBIQ is that low.

Now we talk about his key problem on defense is getting lost, not understanding the opposition offense. This also points to a low BBIQ..

Add to this that the vets with loose lips, whoever they were, complained about him not knowing how to play basketball..

He has skills and athleticism, but he doesn't have the feel for the game. I think the question is, can he learn that, or is he even willing to learn that? Because if he can over say the next two years, then you keep him, because you will get a better haul in trade.. But if you don't see the recognition that change is needed, you trade him and move on..

That by the way is not hating on Sexton.. I like the kid and his work ethic.. But at this level, every successful player is a student of the game. If he doesn't get it, they won't play with him.. it's like a guy who is technically fantastic on a guitar, but hasn't learned to play with the band.. you drop him in an experience jazz quartet, and he would just fuck up the music..

Yawn. This discussion is getting boring
Cut him and see how many teams rush to claim him. You think every player on contending teams are all well rounded unselfish players that is beloved by his teammates
He is 21, the light will come on in the aspects he needs to improve on. Or it wont.

 

[BigZ94]

Yawn. This discussion is getting boring
Cut him and see how many teams rush to claim him. You think every player on contending teams are all well rounded unselfish players that is beloved by his teammates
He is 21, the light will come on in the aspects he needs to improve on. Or it wont.

Nobody is saying cut him ofc a near 20ppg scorer at 21 has value, but of us are just saying due to his lack of IQ and defense he isn’t a starter in this league. He also seems to be regressing a little in most aspects of his game minus scoring

 

[avs2000]

Nobody is saying cut him ofc a near 20ppg scorer at 21 has value, but of us are just saying due to his lack of IQ and defense he isn’t a starter in this league. He also seems to be regressing a little in most aspects of his game minus scoring

Well since we are 2-3 years from possibly contending we have time to watch how he grows. If nothing else he would be lethal off the bench. Because it will be a snap for us to find another 20ppg player to replace him

btw. You do realize that every player on this roster has multiple holes in their game right ?

 

[inliner311]

Nobody is saying cut him ofc a near 20ppg scorer at 21 has value, but of us are just saying due to his lack of IQ and defense he isn’t a starter in this league. He also seems to be regressing a little in most aspects of his game minus scoring

I don't think he will be a traditional starter that plays the majority of his minutes next to Garland. It's just too hard to play them 30+ minutes together because of their size. Sexton doesn't need to be a elite passer but I do think if Beilein can get him to be a good enough passer that he can take the duties of the backup PG, they have a formula that can work. If Garland and Sexton can take up all 48 minutes at the PG spot then it's not that much time that Sexton has to shift over to play SG.

He might end up being a starter in name and minutes on the team because it will be hard to replace his scoring and he will be one of our top players. If they move him to the bench, it could create a situation where he could be lured away in free agency by some other team promising him a starter spot. Our HC should be able to figure out a rotation that allows Sexton to start and to use him in the best way to help the team.

I don't think we have to box in players into positions and starter vs non-starters as much in today's NBA. Guys play less minutes and rotations are bigger. It's more about figuring out how to making the talent work together and for a small market team like ours to retain that talent.

 

[Kouki]

Nobody is saying cut him ofc a near 20ppg scorer at 21 has value, but of us are just saying due to his lack of IQ and defense he isn’t a starter in this league. He also seems to be regressing a little in most aspects of his game minus scoring

At the same time you have to wonder how many other 21 year olds could be doing the same thing given the same usage rate and lack of conscious.

 

[WorldFreeB]

How many points could Lebron have scored if he had the same "lack of vision",,,its mind boggling to think about.

 

[Kiddo]

When looking at adavnced stats I think Sexton's 2nd year in the League as a 21 year old compares pretty well with Donovan Mitchells rookie season as a 21 year old. If Colin works hard i believe Mitchell can be his ceiling. He needs a lot of coaching though.

 

[ansatsusha80]

Fingers crossed, but that was college. At the NBA level you either have it or you don’t, you can’t teach vision that guys like luka lebron magic Paul etc have, just like you can’t unteach selfish tendencies to guys Like Ricky Davis, Melo. A coach can teach a guy to run sets and encourage you to be unselfish. But an NBA guard should understand when his big is posting up a 6ft guard, or when there’s a guy open 6/7 feet away from you, I don’t think a coach can help with tunnel vision this blatant.

Why are you comparing Sexton to Luka,Magic,Lebron and Chris Paul when its their nature to pass the ball.

I keep saying,Sexton isnt a point guard.

 

[Pioneer10]

I thought he played well in the 4th quarter. He found Nance on a couple of drive and kicks and otherwise attacked the mismatches appropriately.

I'm an official hater but definitely a step up from that disaster of a game against the Lakers

 

[cabs]

It was his second best game of the season behind the Knicks game

I thought he played well in the 4th quarter. He found Nance on a couple of drive and kicks and otherwise attacked the mismatches appropriately.

I'm an official hater but definitely a step up from that disaster of a game against the Lakers

Hater or realist? I see myself as a realist tbh. He’s likely to return to his norm as soon as tomorrow. Being a hater would be wanting him to fail as oppose to expecting him to fail

 

[J_J]

You do realize he's 21 years old and has played exactly 1.5 seasons right? You have no idea how much better Sexton will get, players tend to keep getting better until they're 25-28. Sexton's career numbers at 21 years old are already better than Lou Williams career numbers. Your hatred for Sexton is blinding you.

I bet you also didn't realize that it took Lou about 8-10 years to become a 6th man type player and it wasn't until his 13th season that he averaged as many pts as Collin does this year. Collin is a hard worker and my money is on him improving the weak areas in his game.

To add, many people did not even want Lou Williams when we had Lebron James because people thought his defense is bad. Just like Lou, Collin is a hard working guy. Should not judge Sexton’s career after just 1.5 yrs at 21 yrs age.

 

[roozy]

Good game by him in Memphis. He actually played positive basketball, though he still shot it a bit too much.

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

Good game by him in Memphis. He actually played positive basketball, though he still shot it a bit too much.

28 points, 6 assists, and played hard on defense. He did take a lot of shots but TT was ejected and Cedi barely played the second half meaning Nance, Henson, and McKinnie got of lot of minutes and those guys are not shot initiators. Neither is Exum. Sexton was the only guy on the floor that could break down a defense much of the time.

They kept calling for him to drive to his right around a pick at the right elbow and down the right side of the lane for a layup, floater, or kick-out to the corner. If Beilein thought he was shooting too much he would have called somebody else's number.

Let's see if he can keep his scoring up while pushing the assist number a little higher. So far in January he's averaging 22.6 ppg, only 2.0 turnovers, and shooting 46.2% from the field and 45.5% on 3's.

In Kyrie Irving's second NBA season at the same age as Sexton is now he averaged 22.5 ppg at 45.2% from the field, 39.1% on 3's, and 3.2 turnovers per game. What Sexton is doing in nine January games is very similar to Kyrie's second season, only better on 3-point shooting and turnovers.

If you look at Sexton's entire season he's at 19.0 ppg (taking two fewer shots than Kyrie) at 45.3%, but his 3-point shooting is lower at 32.9. He seems to have fixed the 3-point issue and if that's the case he's actually putting up almost identical numbers to Kyrie at the same age and with the same amount of NBA experience.