Collin Sexton | The Young Bull

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

You're probably right, although I'd rather have Sexton than Trae. In addition to his game, the stories about how he tuned out his coach and teammates, and then his blowing up at a ref for not getting a call on his flop, are red flags to be. For a guy as young as he is (and I hope you see what I did there....) to be doing that screams "this dude is going to be a prima donna pain in the ass to his teams" down the road.

*Pre-Madonna

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

*Pre-Madonna

I cannot believe I let that one slip. In fact, I have to edit it, but you get the credit.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

We should of taken SGA

No thanks. I dont think one is clearly superior to the other but I would much rather take the guy who embraces the city and has that next level work ethic.

At the end of the day....you get a guy like Sexton at #8 who is already putting up an efficient 24-5 and has continuously improved every facet of his game year to year because he probably works harder than 99% of the league....a guy I could see putting up 30-6 on 50-40-90 in his prime...a guy who shows up in big games and moments and never backs down to anyone...and a guy who completely embraces your small market city...and after a rough first year now gets along with and is respected and loved by his entire team...


To get that kind of a player at #8 after trading away Kyrie at what was supposed to be the beginning of his prime is a slam dunk/home run/ absolutely a killer pick by Koby Altman. (I think Altman made a similarly impressive pick with Darius Garland the following year as well...and if Garland can make that vaunted year 3 and 4 leap for young guards....another stud)

I mean, considering many people were extremely down on Sexton after his rookie year(a lot of misdirected anger due to Bron leaving that wasnt his fault...some was his gfault but he owned up to it and fixed it)...its kind of amazing where he;s at now..

You'll never catch me complaining about taking Sexton at 8 given his current production. It deserves a lot of praise if anything. Kid is a beast.

 

[foucault87]

One thing to keep in mind with our guards is how young they are...the real leap is always around 23-24 years of age with guards. Case in point, 23-24 is the year that a slew of SGs made their big leap (David Thompson, D-Wade, Kobe, MJ etc.). Do I expect either Collin or Darius to be on that level? No, although I won't complain if they are.

Point is, there is a lot of time left in their careers and the people deciding that Collin is what he is at 22 are dead wrong. If anything, Collin has shown that he will turn that idea of what he is upside down within the next year. I am so happy that we have him on our team and he is the kind of player and has the kind of work ethic that I think you want to build your culture around.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

One thing to keep in mind with our guards is how young they are...the real leap is always around 23-24 years of age with guards. Case in point, 23-24 is the year that a slew of SGs made their big leap (David Thompson, D-Wade, Kobe, MJ etc.). Do I expect either Collin or Darius to be on that level? No, although I won't complain if they are.

Point is, there is a lot of time left in their careers and the people deciding that Collin is what he is at 22 are dead wrong. If anything, Collin has shown that he will turn that idea of what he is upside down within the next year. I am so happy that we have him on our team and he is the kind of player and has the kind of work ethic that I think you want to build your culture around.

That's the "understanding the game" and "entering your physical prime" leap. When Sexton and Garland are there we are going to be a perennial playoff team as long as we get the right forwards and defenders around them and Allen.

 

[daytripper]

As I remember, something came out later about what was going on in the Hawks war room, amd that two first round picks would not have been enough because they wanted Young that badly.

We weren't getting Luka.

Not to mention the Hawks already had the Cavs future protected FRP from that Korver deal and Lebron was still on the roster at that point so future Cavs picks weren't looking that great. There was simply no reason for ATL to trade that far down with the Cavs esp when Trae would be gone by that point. They might've used us for leverage though to get that addl FRP from Dallas. Once the Cavs lost with the lottery balls all they could really do at that point is pick bpa which they obviously felt was Collin. I agree with the other poster here and would rather have Sexton over Trae for our culture.

 

[Rich]

SGA is the better player and will be the better player going forward.

But at the very least, Sexton isn't a bust.

I don't blame people for wishing we had SGA. That makes sense.

But I have to admit I am BAFFLED by the cross-section between those who both wish we had drafted SGA AND see Garland as the future.

I wish I could see the game you're seeing when you watch. Because Sexton is a CLEARLY superior player to Garland. By the eyes. By the metrics. By simply the attitude in which he plays the game.

It might be hard to fit a team around SExton as a starting 2 guard due to his size. And he may be better suited to come off the bench in the long run, I admit. I mean even when looking at good teams led by shooting guards, they're all bigger than he is (like Utah). This is an issue and isn't something we can just pretend away. He's a really small 2.

But when you watch this team, he ain't the primary, secondary, or tertiary problem out there.

 

[ryanf]

SGA is the better player and will be the better player going forward.

But at the very least, Sexton isn't a bust.

I don't blame people for wishing we had SGA. That makes sense.

But I have to admit I am BAFFLED by the cross-section between those who both wish we had drafted SGA AND see Garland as the future.

I wish I could see the game you're seeing when you watch. Because Sexton is a CLEARLY superior player to Garland. By the eyes. By the metrics. By simply the attitude in which he plays the game.

lots of guys see garland's hesitation moves and think that's all there is to it... oh... and the mandatory alley hoop per game...

 

[bleachkit]

You're probably right, although I'd rather have Sexton than Trae. In addition to his game, the stories about how he tuned out his coach and teammates, and then his blowing up at a ref for not getting a call on his flop, are red flags to me. For a guy as young as he is (and I hope you see what I did there....) to be doing that screams "this dude is going to be a Pre-Madonna* pain in the ass to his teams" down the road.

*Hat tip to Sir'Dom for the reminder.

I think the character stuff about Trae is overblown. He is known to be a nice guy and a hard worker. He might not be quite the "dog" that Sexton is though. Sexton is a more efficient scorer than Trae. But Trae is without question a superior passer.

 

[saymac]

I hear all the stuff about S G A being a better player and we should have drafted him he would be gone as soon as his 4 years were up i have follow the Cavs since they started we made the right choice on sexton on garland he can not stay healthy on Okoro great choice just enjoy the team they play hard and represents the city with class

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

I looked at Collins' numbers at cleaningtheglass.com, which shows the player's performance compared to other players in the league at the same position. Sexton is listed as a "combo" guard as opposed to Garland, who is listed as a "point".

Sexton is in the 68th percentile, or above average, among combo guards in points per shot attempt. He's in the 55th percentile in effective field goal percentage but in the 85th percentile in fouls per shot attempt, so the free throws boost his scoring up to the 68th percentile.

Sexton ranks in the 98th percentile in non-shooting fouls drawn, which shows how much respect other teams have for him; they foul him a lot trying to prevent him from getting the ball or before he can get to his shot. For comparison, Allen is in the 92nd percentile among bigs while Okoro is in the 16th percentile among wings.

Sexton is in the 55th percentile on 2-point shots and the 73rd percentile on 3's, hitting 40.9%. However, he is only in the 6th percentile in 3-point attempts while in the 98th percentile in short mid-range attempts (4-14 feet). He's above average in the short mid-range, ranking in the 71st percentile, but he really should be taking more 3's and fewer floaters. It doesn't make sense for a player shooting nearly 41.% on 3's to rank in the 6th percentile on 3-point attempts.

Of course you could argue that the reason his 3-point percentage is high is because he only shoots them when he's wide open. Sexton should shoot more 3's but not to the point where he's forcing them and his percentage drops significantly.

Sexton is average at the rim and slightly below average at long mid-range shots (from 14 feet out to the 3-point line). That's his worst shot. He also needs to get a little better at free throws; he's hitting 80.2% but that's only in the 44th percentile for combo guards.

Sexton is about average on steal percentage and above average in offensive rebound percentage.

In terms of on/off stats, the Cavs are outscoring their opponents by 7.3 points per 100 possessions when Sexton is on the floor, which puts him in the 80th percentile among combo guards. That is shared equally between offense and defense; the Cavs are 3.7 points better offensively and 3.7 points better defensively when Sexton is on the floor.

The highest player on the team is Nance at +8.6 following by Wade at +8.3 (small sample), then Sexton.

Sexton is below average in assists per usage rate (27th percentile) and turnover percentage (37th percentile).

So my advice to Sexton would be to take more 3's, look to pass more, and reduce the turnovers. But overall the guy is in the 80th percentile in the on/off category despite being on a 14-22 team, which is pretty remarkable. If every player on the Cavs was a +7.3 per 100 possessions their expected record would be 48-34.

 

[STAT]

Sexton is currently 1 of only 5 players in the NBA with at least 23.0 PPG, 4.0 APG, 1.0 SPG, .480 FG%, AND A .400 3FG% (Zach LaVine, James Harden, Nikola Jokic, Kyrie Irving).

Superlative scoring is one the most valuable things in the entire league, and Sexton looks like he's going to be a superlative scorer.

I would encourage considering on-court value in thinking about the future of the team over antiquated ideas about positions.

 

[Man Called X]

Sexton is currently 1 of only 5 players in the NBA with at least 23.0 PPG, 4.0 APG, 1.0 SPG, .480 FG%, AND A .400 3FG% (Zach LaVine, James Harden, Nikola Jokic, Kyrie Irving).

Superlative scoring is one the most valuable things in the entire league, and Sexton looks like he's going to be a superlative scorer.

I would encourage considering on-court value in thinking about the future of the team over antiquated ideas about positions.

He's trash and we should trade him to build around Garland, said some really fucking drugged out people.

 

[ansatsusha80]

He's trash and we should trade him to build around Garland, said some really fucking drugged out people.

Hahahaha

 

[ansatsusha80]