Collin Sexton | The Young Bull

[WorldBExpensive]

I wonder what Rubio says if they trade Garland for a SF

Good point.

Even if the original intention was to deal him before the deadline I have to think there is flexibility in the plan from both sides depending on the situation.

 

[Futuredome]

Rubio is irrelevant. A potential Sexton or Garland trade depends on what comes in return and what they will sign for.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I think the flaw here is there is likely not an outcome this season where Rubio re-signs with the Cavs.
More likely is the Cavs deal him at the deadline, I actually think they may have already broached it with Rubio's people. Like:
Play well, be a good soldier, mentor these kids and we will get you to a contender in February.

I'm not sure why they would have gone out and gotten him in the first place if the plan was to ditch him by the break anyway.

 

[MirORich]

I'm not sure why they would have gone out and gotten him in the first place if the plan was to ditch him by the break anyway.

Mentorship and tutelage for 50 games and then at the deadline being able to get a better return for him than you'd have been able to get for Prince.

That said, it's really situational. Obviously, if by some miracle we're actually in the playoff hunt, you'd prefer not to trade him,

Even if the team is well off a playoff chance, if there are no offers of a FRP and only seconds and a bust player, I'd rather keep him for the extra 30 games of tutelage too SexLand and to maintain his Bird Rights in the offseason for either a S&T** or to re-sign him ourselves

If we have a poor record and some team offers a FRP and/or a young player with some developmental promise, you have to consider that.

** Very few teams will have cap room this summer. Especially contenders. If Rubio plays well enough this year that multiple teams want him and are willing to pay over the MLE, then a S&T in the summer could yield some return.

 

[Lee]

I feel like Koby told Ricky's reps to pick up the phone and ask Javele McGee how that worked out for him last year...

I agree with this 100% and appreciate Rubio's patience and commitment to our kids AND his production being another potential chip in our pursuit of balancing the roster with a ever elusive wing come deadline time.

A 18 mil expiring with his international experience will be one of the most in-demand chips for ring chasers come deadline. My dream is that Griffin makes a desperation move around deadline time to appease Zion by taking this kind of offer for a better fit moving forward. This would require our 22 FRP but I would do it if we're already in the playoff hunt. Instantly balances our roster and replacing Rubio's steady hand with Sato who would provide the same versatility and size as a defender who works next to either of Sexland

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You know Ingraham is my dream almost realistic sf for this team, but that deal is so lopsided for the Cavs. One, no way we get off the kevin love deal, and 2, we would have to sweeten the pot with picks and/or players of use to get Ingram.....and i am willing to do that.

Ingram next to Mobley and Allen with Garland and Okoro...and Sexton Markadden coming off the bench. Would need a bit more of a bench, but that is a young playoff team that could make a run.

 

[weepinwillow]

I'm not sure why they would have gone out and gotten him in the first place if the plan was to ditch him by the break anyway.

I mean the point of entry was Taurean Prince and you just watched Ricky drop 38 on team USA and your young guards had issues with turnovers.
Mid-season deadline deal makes sense unless you are looking at a real shot of the playoffs.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I mean the point of entry was Taurean Prince and you just watched Ricky drop 38 on team USA and your young guards had issues with turnovers.
Mid-season deadline deal makes sense unless you are looking at a real shot of the playoffs.

I think it is more likely than not that the Cavs will still be in the hunt for playoff spot at the trade deadline.

If that is the case, then I would expect the Cavs' decision on Rubio to be based on what they believe is best for the team, rather than simply doing a favor for Rubio's camp and moving him to a contender just to be nice.

 

[inliner311]

I'm not sure why they would have gone out and gotten him in the first place if the plan was to ditch him by the break anyway.

I think the front office realized they had no real prospects at a backup PG in free agency. I'm sure the ones they were targeting were telling them that were getting better offers from other teams.

The other part is we know the front office isn't good about gauging things especially when it comes to personalities of players. They may have misgauged Rubio desire to be on a contender completely and only realized it when he had his first press conference post trade.

It might working out in the Cavs favor if Rubio keeps playing well. The assets we get might get us a long term backup PG or a wing.

 

[buzzdog]

I've been encouraged by Sexton's play so far. I see signs of growth as always. He's doing a good job moving off ball and spacing the floor.

He showed some nice flashes running the offense. He moved with direction and purpose, and made lots of timely and accurate passes after drawing the defense.

It gets pretty old that some people refuse to recognize some of these improvements.

 

[daddywags]

I mean the point of entry was Taurean Prince and you just watched Ricky drop 38 on team USA and your young guards had issues with turnovers.
Mid-season deadline deal makes sense unless you are looking at a real shot of the playoffs.

I can see them trading him at the deadline, but I'm hard pressed to believe they promised to do so. If they did, everyone in the locker room would know about it as would pretty much every potential trade partner. At $17 million he's not the easiest player to just flip to a contender.

 

[weepinwillow]

I hope Garland figures out how to properly facilitate the offense. Right now he just dribbles aimlessly, with no real plan or purpose. Then half the time he gets caught in a jump pass with no place to go with the ball. He's putting out lots of passes in really poor positions and locations, and he scares no-one as a scoring threat. No place to go but up.

This team is showing some fire and we're turning out to be a load for smaller teams to handle. I want to see this team keep winning as many games as possible. I'd love to see Garland start to get anywhere close to his potential.

I want Sexton on the floor with Rubio and Garland running the floor when Rubio sits. I see no reason to have DG and Rubio on the floor together.

I'm not really seeing this from Darius. He does overdribble looking for the assist when he's created the pass or the space for the shot some, but I don't find it aimless. He's looking to draw the help defender constantly while simultaneously creating the passing angle.
He'd make it all a little easier on himself if he'd take some of the initial reads.

 

[buzzdog]

I'm not really seeing this from Darius. He does overdribble looking for the assist when he's created the pass or the space for the shot some, but I don't find it aimless. He's looking to draw the help defender constantly while simultaneously creating the passing angle.
He'd make it all a little easier on himself if he'd take some of the initial reads.

Sorry but I realized I made a DG comment in a CS discussion so I moved it to the appropriate thread and replaced it with $.02 on Sexton.

 

[Futuredome]

I've been encouraged by Sexton's play so far. I see signs of growth as always. He's doing a good job moving off ball and spacing the floor.

He showed some nice flashes running the offense. He moved with direction and purpose, and made lots of timely and accurate passes after drawing the defense.

It gets pretty old that some people refuse to recognize some of these improvements.

Wrong. Another bad take. Sexton has been abysmal in the 2nd half for long stretches. It's because like Garland, he is unsure of things. It's a new world.

 

[Lee]

I've been encouraged by Sexton's play so far. I see signs of growth as always. He's doing a good job moving off ball and spacing the floor.

He showed some nice flashes running the offense. He moved with direction and purpose, and made lots of timely and accurate passes after drawing the defense.

It gets pretty old that some people refuse to recognize some of these improvements.

Its odd you see him running the offense. His shot looks improved and it was good before, he looks more fluid and is dribbling the ball less. But he is running the offense much less. The offense is running almost entirely through Garland and Rubio.

But that is ok, the coach is no longer using Sexton as a pg except when Garland was hurt he was backup pg some. This is encouraging because Sexton is a sg, not a pg or backup pg.

I am not quick to get rid of Sexton for nothing, and think he deserves the contract he wants and should have been extended if he wanted 4/80. If he is our starting SG or instant offense of the bench, Sexton is a good player with ice in his viens, elite scorer and those are all valuable traits.

But in no way is he showing signs becoming a pg, sure he had a few nice passes, one wrap around pass that comes to mind, but thats just good basketball, its not suddenly becoming a pg. But that is ok, he still has value.

 

[Lee]

Wrong. Another bad take. Sexton has been abysmal in the 2nd half for long stretches. It's because like Garland, he is unsure of things. It's a new world.

The 2nd game of the year Sexton was bad in the 2nd half, he lost his focus and purpose on offense, but that was because he was being asked to run backup og because Garland was hurt.

I dont blame Sexton, that is a roster and coaching issue.