Collin Sexton | The Young Bull

[avs2000]

I think both Sexton and Garland will have very good NBA careers and that they will demonstrate that Koby was right to draft them where he did.

It's a shame that it's painfully obvious that they can't really co-exist on the same team due to their defensive limitations and the match-up issues it presents. It forces us as fans to kind of pick whether we are a "Sexton guy" or a "Garland guy".

I like them both but I am admittedly a "Sexton guy" more. I think his elite scoring capability coupled with his work ethic and constant improvement make him an absolute keeper. I do think that Garland seemingly has more value and respect in the league and would also bring back more in a trade at this point.

I would keep them both until this year's trade deadline or until the offseason. Hopefully we will be in the position to draft a high ceiling SF in this coming draft and either trade for, sign or draft a PG who can back-up Rubio and be our longer-term starting PG.

It's a little bit similar to the Mark Price/Kevin Johnson situation... Sexton and Garland will both have great careers but we have to pick one IMO.

Sexton has elite scoring ability. What does garland do that is elite ? I don’t get the garland love affair. I wish he would blossom but unlike sexton he doesn’t get better year after year

 

[bleedwineandgold03]

I think both Sexton and Garland will have very good NBA careers and that they will demonstrate that Koby was right to draft them where he did.

It's a shame that it's painfully obvious that they can't really co-exist on the same team due to their defensive limitations and the match-up issues it presents. It forces us as fans to kind of pick whether we are a "Sexton guy" or a "Garland guy".

I like them both but I am admittedly a "Sexton guy" more. I think his elite scoring capability coupled with his work ethic and constant improvement make him an absolute keeper. I do think that Garland seemingly has more value and respect in the league and would also bring back more in a trade at this point.

I would keep them both until this year's trade deadline or until the offseason. Hopefully we will be in the position to draft a high ceiling SF in this coming draft and either trade for, sign or draft a PG who can back-up Rubio and be our longer-term starting PG.

It's a little bit similar to the Mark Price/Kevin Johnson situation... Sexton and Garland will both have great careers but we have to pick one IMO.

This. I rather have Sexton more he has that it factor.

 

[weepinwillow]

I would keep them both until this year's trade deadline or until the offseason. Hopefully we will be in the position to draft a high ceiling SF in this coming draft and either trade for, sign or draft a PG who can back-up Rubio and be our longer-term starting PG.

I think the flaw here is there is likely not an outcome this season where Rubio re-signs with the Cavs.
More likely is the Cavs deal him at the deadline, I actually think they may have already broached it with Rubio's people. Like:
Play well, be a good soldier, mentor these kids and we will get you to a contender in February.

 

[bs80]

Sexton has elite scoring ability. What does garland do that is elite ? I don’t get the garland love affair. I wish he would blossom but unlike sexton he doesn’t get better year after year

To be fair, Darius has only logged two seasons and in the league and is 1-for-1 when it comes to showing improvement from the previous season. Unless anyone wants to write off his chances of showing growth this season after all of two games. It's ok to like both Sexton and Garland.

 

[CavsKermit]

Sexton has elite scoring ability. What does garland do that is elite ? I don’t get the garland love affair. I wish he would blossom but unlike sexton he doesn’t get better year after year

Garland is a triple threat offensively in a way that Sexton never will be. We have two big men who have the potential to be elite. The ability to see the floor and get them the ball where and when they need it is going to be critical to the team's overall success. If Sexton is willing to embrace a Ginobli or OKC-Harden role, he could have a successful future here. If not, then the die is probably cast.

 

[Cavatt]

I think the flaw here is there is likely not an outcome this season where Rubio re-signs with the Cavs.
More likely is the Cavs deal him at the deadline, I actually think they may have already broached it with Rubio's people. Like:
Play well, be a good soldier, mentor these kids and we will get you to a contender in February.

I wonder what Rubio says if they trade Garland for a SF

 

[RchfldCavRaised]

I think the flaw here is there is likely not an outcome this season where Rubio re-signs with the Cavs.
More likely is the Cavs deal him at the deadline, I actually think they may have already broached it with Rubio's people. Like:
Play well, be a good soldier, mentor these kids and we will get you to a contender in February.

I feel like Koby told Ricky's reps to pick up the phone and ask Javele McGee how that worked out for him last year...

I agree with this 100% and appreciate Rubio's patience and commitment to our kids AND his production being another potential chip in our pursuit of balancing the roster with a ever elusive wing come deadline time.

A 18 mil expiring with his international experience will be one of the most in-demand chips for ring chasers come deadline. My dream is that Griffin makes a desperation move around deadline time to appease Zion by taking this kind of offer for a better fit moving forward. This would require our 22 FRP but I would do it if we're already in the playoff hunt. Instantly balances our roster and replacing Rubio's steady hand with Sato who would provide the same versatility and size as a defender who works next to either of Sexland

 

[Blazie]

To be fair, Darius has only logged two seasons and in the league and is 1-for-1 when it comes to showing improvement from the previous season. Unless anyone wants to write off his chances of showing growth this season after all of two games. It's ok to like both Sexton and Garland.

Not a Garland hater, but...

I feel the need to point out here, once again, that Darius was pretty awful in his rookie year. It really wouldn't have taken much to improve upon that campaign.

The question in my mind is whether he makes a similar jump again this year...

 

[avs2000]

Garland is a triple threat offensively in a way that Sexton never will be. We have two big men who have the potential to be elite. The ability to see the floor and get them the ball where and when they need it is going to be critical to the team's overall success. If Sexton is willing to embrace a Ginobli or OKC-Harden role, he could have a successful future here. If not, then the die is probably cast.

Garland is a triple threat offensively ? Lol. Where has that happened Ever. High school ? Dude can’t even stay healthy

 

[inliner311]

I wonder what Rubio says if they trade Garland for a SF

I don't think at his age he is really looking to stay here. Our timeline doesn't give him the chances at a championship. He has only been to the playoffs twice. I think he tries to find a contender to join.

 

[Nphan]

So in terms of team building with Mobley...Sexton or Garland?

I think I prefer Sexton, assuming we can also get one of those prototypical do-it-all wing players. He has the alpha mentality that Mobley doesn't necessarily exuberate, and can be "the guy" scoring if needed. He works well off the ball. I feel like he's the better spot up shooter and cutter and can finish the play at the basket.

Sexton easily. Hes more athletically gifted and has less to develop in his game. Will actually shoot 3s and make them during crucial times like at last nights game. Sexton was the one who closed the door on that comeback from the Nuggets. I don't see what Garland brings that a vet like Rubio, Compazzo, or a few others does not.

Garland was drafted because people thought he would drain 3s like Curry and Lilliard but dude is out there working on floaters as his main offensive arsenal. Thats not going to work when this team is built around twin towers in the post. We need guys who can stretch the floor so these big dudes can eat inside.

 

[weepinwillow]

I wonder what Rubio says if they trade Garland for a SF

probably something like, "I see that the Bucks could use another PG"

 

[CavsKermit]

Not a Garland hater, but...

I feel the need to point out here, once again, that Darius was pretty awful in his rookie year. It really wouldn't have taken much to improve upon that campaign.

The question in my mind is whether he makes a similar jump again this year...

It's not really possible for him to make a similar jump again this year. I expect his assist total to go up, but he shot .395 from 3 point range on five attempts per game, scored 17.4 ppg, and had a TS% of .547. I don't expect that he'll get more FGA per game this year than last, I don't expect the Cavs to run the same guard centric offense, and a similar jump in efficiency from year 1 to year 2 would make him the most efficient player in the league. .

 

[inliner311]

As long as they, Collin/Darius, sign reasonable deals (nowhere near max extensions) I don't see why the Cavs can't keep both esp w/ Dan's deep pockets. They can draft their big wing next June. They already have their potential #1 in Mobley.

Having a vet backup PG(Rubio in this case), a defender in Okoro, and Sexland rotation looks like it potentially be very effective esp with our frontline. I just want to give all our homegrown talent a real chance to see if they can all play together this season. Last night against Denver looked real promising.

I don't hear other teams with deep talent such as the Hawks screaming to trade their talented youngsters even though they are 2 deep at every position.

I think they could work as the two small guards of the 8-10 man rotation. I think the impact on the roster beyond them is what we have to look at. I'm just not sure we can get Sexton, Garland, and Okoro to be all 30+ minute a game players. If we are willing to change what we expect from Okoro and bring in a big PG to round out our guard rotation or we stumble onto a wing with playmaking and ball handling, I think it becomes much easier for Sexton and Garland to coexist.

 

[CavsKermit]

As far as trading Rubio, I'm hoping that the Cavs enjoy enough success this season that it's not really an option and Rubio would be happy coming back. But that doesn't mean your long-term plan is building around 31 year old PG with a 19 year old PF and 23 year old center.