Collin Sexton | The Young Bull

[Kouki]

So in terms of team building with Mobley...Sexton or Garland?

I think I prefer Sexton, assuming we can also get one of those prototypical do-it-all wing players. He has the alpha mentality that Mobley doesn't necessarily exuberate, and can be "the guy" scoring if needed. He works well off the ball. I feel like he's the better spot up shooter and cutter and can finish the play at the basket.

 

[Kouki]

Problem with Garland's change of pace and hesi moves is that because he is not a threat to score, the defense sags off him and his moves, while pretty, are only effective in theory. There's at least a couple of times per game he tries to go to a hesi and it accomplishes nothing.

 

[Peacedog]

So in terms of team building with Mobley...Sexton or Garland?

I think I prefer Sexton, assuming we can also get one of those prototypical do-it-all wing players. He has the alpha mentality that Mobley doesn't necessarily exuberate, and can be "the guy" scoring if needed. He works well off the ball. I feel like he's the better spot up shooter and cutter and can finish the play at the basket.

Why not both?

 

[guitarguy]

I'm not sure how someone could pick Garland over Sexton at this point, unless they're still too closely remembering Sexton's rookie year (and not remember Garlands). Especially with Ricky on the floor.

I guess to me, if you keep Rubio, Garland is much less valuable at this point. I keep hoping we see the crafty player I think he is, but it hasn't happened much. For being an offensive player, he has the same amount of 30 points games as our often criticized defensive "only" player in Okoro.

This isn't the Garland thread, but if he was just aggressive and tried to attack and score, his entire game would open up. But I feel like he just likes to hang out on the 3 point line most of the time, which makes him about as effective as Kevin Love out there.

 

[avs2000]

So in terms of team building with Mobley...Sexton or Garland?

I think I prefer Sexton, assuming we can also get one of those prototypical do-it-all wing players. He has the alpha mentality that Mobley doesn't necessarily exuberate, and can be "the guy" scoring if needed. He works well off the ball. I feel like he's the better spot up shooter and cutter and can finish the play at the basket.

100% Sexton Can score, has attitude, fast as hell, durable and not a chucker, an efficient scorer
Garland, no attitude and injury prone

 

[chuck0609]

I'm not sure how someone could pick Garland over Sexton at this point, unless they're still too closely remembering Sexton's rookie year (and not remember Garlands). Especially with Ricky on the floor.

I guess to me, if you keep Rubio, Garland is much less valuable at this point. I keep hoping we see the crafty player I think he is, but it hasn't happened much. For being an offensive player, he has the same amount of 30 points games as our often criticized defensive "only" player in Okoro.

This isn't the Garland thread, but if he was just aggressive and tried to attack and score, his entire game would open up. But I feel like he just likes to hang out on the 3 point line most of the time, which makes him about as effective as Kevin Love out there.

Agreed. Sexton looks to be way ahead of Garland at this point. The game has appeared to slow down for him- he’s picking his spots. They don’t give him the ball early in the shot clock and make him force a shot while getting the ball with less the 4 seconds multiple times. So offensively we haven’t seen him optimized yet this year. He’s also facilitating much more. I’ve really enjoyed his growth this year.

 

[daytripper]

As long as they, Collin/Darius, sign reasonable deals (nowhere near max extensions) I don't see why the Cavs can't keep both esp w/ Dan's deep pockets. They can draft their big wing next June. They already have their potential #1 in Mobley.

Having a vet backup PG(Rubio in this case), a defender in Okoro, and Sexland rotation looks like it potentially be very effective esp with our frontline. I just want to give all our homegrown talent a real chance to see if they can all play together this season. Last night against Denver looked real promising.

I don't hear other teams with deep talent such as the Hawks screaming to trade their talented youngsters even though they are 2 deep at every position.

 

[rastamon87]

I'm not sure how someone could pick Garland over Sexton at this point, unless they're still too closely remembering Sexton's rookie year (and not remember Garlands). Especially with Ricky on the floor.

I guess to me, if you keep Rubio, Garland is much less valuable at this point. I keep hoping we see the crafty player I think he is, but it hasn't happened much. For being an offensive player, he has the same amount of 30 points games as our often criticized defensive "only" player in Okoro.

This isn't the Garland thread, but if he was just aggressive and tried to attack and score, his entire game would open up. But I feel like he just likes to hang out on the 3 point line most of the time, which makes him about as effective as Kevin Love out there.

Im also in the Sexton boat if needed to choose, because he has been durable and even with his current limitations you know he can score and not get discouraged even if he gets blocked a lot and not shooting well (drives me nuts sometimes but a team need one of those)...

From an untrained eye, it looks like the Cavs likes Garland more than Sexton though...

 

[Cavatt]

I'd argue Sexton fits more with Mobley. Off the ball deadly threat. He got him those 2 threes late in the game. As Mobley blocks shots and keeps them in bounds, Collin is the running back Mobley gets the ball to.

The playmaking and decisionmaking from Mobley in the 4th has me so so excited and I think both guards can play with him, but Garland needs to show more.

I liked that Collin was given the ball at the end of possessions last night. He should be. I want him to be the catch and shoot and bail out guy. At the beginning of the clock, Collin needs to get Mobley the ball at the elbow. He is surveying the floor in fractions of a second and making the right read.

Collin had more tunnel vision this game and was triple teamed in the post. Needs to pass out of that like he has in previous games. My biggest issue with Collin's passing is it seems like he is in "passing mode" or "scoring mode". He needs to integrate those 2 modes and make the decision on the fly. His biggest weakness IMO

 

[Muffinalt]

So in terms of team building with Mobley...Sexton or Garland?

I think I prefer Sexton, assuming we can also get one of those prototypical do-it-all wing players. He has the alpha mentality that Mobley doesn't necessarily exuberate, and can be "the guy" scoring if needed. He works well off the ball. I feel like he's the better spot up shooter and cutter and can finish the play at the basket.

Whoever is able to figure out his defense honestly.

I love Sexton and dont like Garland (mostly because of his superfans on the board tbh), but if both continue to be a complete liability on the defensive end, I'd rather just keep Rubio as a starter, or bring in someone like White and focus on a ball handling wing.

On offense both can fit nicely, I mean I don't really think there is even a type of player that wouldn't fit with Mobley. Sexton offers iso scoring and the clutch factor though so that's a huge plus, especially in the playoffs whereas Garland seems to shy away more.

So yeah, Sexton imo is better from the complete picture. Plus I would want to see what Sexton can make of practicing against Mobley for a full year. Should play dividends.

But if his defense doesn't improve, I don't want a situation where we need to compensate for him each defensive possession. There is a special defensive ceiling we can get to now, we should try.

 

[kidduck]

Still too much hero ball and getting trapped in the paint.

It is no coincidence that having the ball moving on offense
has ramped up the motivation among the bigs.

His weakness in seeing the floor is improving and it isn't
too hard to see him getting to an acceptable level
for a non-point guard. I wonder how many times in
his basketball life he has been on a team with players
as good or better than him. Sounds like it should be
an easy adjustment but maybe not.

On the defensive end, his size won't change. But with
Mobley and Allen, there should be some scheme
the coaching staff can implement that aids both
Garland and Sexton on that end of the floor. Collin
can't learn defense in the gym by himself. If the team
really believes in his future with the Cavs, they should
be working with him daily on ways to improve. A
player with his quickness and motor should be able
to attain no worse than becoming an average defender.

Too often both Garland and Sexton get taken out of
the play by a simple pick. That might be related
to players learning to play together, communicating
on the court.

Collin does need to realize that outside of fast
breaks or catch and shoot situations, the ball
should be moving thru at least one of the bigs.

 

[Cavatt]

Still too much hero ball and getting trapped in the paint.

It is no coincidence that having the ball moving on offense
has ramped up the motivation among the bigs.

His weakness in seeing the floor is improving and it isn't
too hard to see him getting to an acceptable level
for a non-point guard. I wonder how many times in
his basketball life he has been on a team with players
as good or better than him. Sounds like it should be
an easy adjustment but maybe not.

On the defensive end, his size won't change. But with
Mobley and Allen, there should be some scheme
the coaching staff can implement that aids both
Garland and Sexton on that end of the floor. Collin
can't learn defense in the gym by himself. If the team
really believes in his future with the Cavs, they should
be working with him daily on ways to improve. A
player with his quickness and motor should be able
to attain no worse than becoming an average defender.

Too often both Garland and Sexton get taken out of
the play by a simple pick. That might be related
to players learning to play together, communicating
on the court.

Collin does need to realize that outside of fast
breaks or catch and shoot situations, the ball
should be moving thru at least one of the bigs.

I think you nailed it. You let Mobley run the offense and Collin is there for a release valve and catch and shoot spacing. Get Collin the ball in transition, you let Mobley make the read in the half court.

 

[ansatsusha80]

Im also in the Sexton boat if needed to choose, because he has been durable and even with his current limitations you know he can score and not get discouraged even if he gets blocked a lot and not shooting well (drives me nuts sometimes but a team need one of those)...

From an untrained eye, it looks like the Cavs likes Garland more than Sexton though...

It looks that way too because for whatever reason,Collin doesn't finish games. I understood,why for the Hawks game but the other three games he's on the bench . Especially,last night when he was starting to get hot with those three-point shots.

 

[bs80]

Whoever is able to figure out his defense honestly.

I love Sexton and dont like Garland (mostly because of his superfans on the board tbh), but if both continue to be a complete liability on the defensive end, I'd rather just keep Rubio as a starter, or bring in someone like White and focus on a ball handling wing.

On offense both can fit nicely, I mean I don't really think there is even a type of player that wouldn't fit with Mobley. Sexton offers iso scoring and the clutch factor though so that's a huge plus, especially in the playoffs whereas Garland seems to shy away more.

So yeah, Sexton imo is better from the complete picture. Plus I would want to see what Sexton can make of practicing against Mobley for a full year. Should play dividends.

But if his defense doesn't improve, I don't want a situation where we need to compensate for him each defensive possession. There is a special defensive ceiling we can get to now, we should try.

I actually thought that ever since getting torched by Morant (along with everyone else that tried to guard him) in the opener, Collin's defense looks almost adequate. Darius, unfortunately, looked absolutely awful on defense yesterday, but I'll certainly give him more than two games to show improvement, especially with that bum ankle of his.

I really like what I've seen from Collin so far this young season, and I have no problem with paying him a reasonable price to retain him, even with Darius in the fold. For all the shit that we give Sexland, they haven't been a disaster at all in the 40 minutes they've logged together on the court so far (NetRtg of +7.2).

By the way, JBB's starting lineup with the three towers behind Sexland has a NetRtg of +32.9(!) in an admittedly small sample size of 19 minutes.

 

[WorldBExpensive]

I think both Sexton and Garland will have very good NBA careers and that they will demonstrate that Koby was right to draft them where he did.

It's a shame that it's painfully obvious that they can't really co-exist on the same team due to their defensive limitations and the match-up issues it presents. It forces us as fans to kind of pick whether we are a "Sexton guy" or a "Garland guy".

I like them both but I am admittedly a "Sexton guy" more. I think his elite scoring capability coupled with his work ethic and constant improvement make him an absolute keeper. I do think that Garland seemingly has more value and respect in the league and would also bring back more in a trade at this point.

I would keep them both until this year's trade deadline or until the offseason. Hopefully we will be in the position to draft a high ceiling SF in this coming draft and either trade for, sign or draft a PG who can back-up Rubio and be our longer-term starting PG.

It's a little bit similar to the Mark Price/Kevin Johnson situation... Sexton and Garland will both have great careers but we have to pick one IMO.