Collin Sexton | The Young Bull

[Heat Check]

You can:

Eric Gordon signed a 4-year $52M contract in 2016 as a 6th man (won 6th man of the year in his first year). Then signed another 4-year $75M contract in 2020 primarily as a 6th man.

Enes Kanter Freedom signed a 4-year $70M contract in 2015 with the intention of being a pure 6th man -- and started 1 game in the upcoming year.

Manu Ginobili made well over $100M (10-20 years ago) -- while playing as a 6th man in more than 80% of his games.

Jordan Clarkson just signed 4-years $52M as a 6th man.

Not if you do it after a missed regular season, only playing for a few weeks in the playoffs.

You need to make a major splash. In Sexton's case, that means hero ball and disrupting the very things that will take us to those playoffs.

 

[Lyuokdea]

Not if you do it after a missed regular season, only playing for a few weeks in the playoffs.

You need to make a major splash. In Sexton's case, that means hero ball and disrupting the very things that will take us to those playoffs.

So in the other thread - you complained about how we didn't need a wing... We need a SG/backup PG who can fill in and give Garland rest as a primary scorer.

And now your complaint in this thread is that Sexton might try too hard to do this?

 

[Heat Check]

So in the other thread - you complained about how we didn't need a wing... We need a SG/backup PG who can fill in and give Garland rest as a primary scorer.

And now your complaint in this thread is that Sexton might try too hard to do this?

I said that if – and that's a BIG if – there is a need currently, it's for a backup PG and/or a SG. I said nothing about getting a "primary scorer" to somehow replace Garland when he rests.

This team certainly shouldn't give up any real assets to get an entitled player who comes in with an expectation of getting a certain number of touches and shots.

Sexton is on the roster, but he would be that player too, make no mistake.

I reserve the right to change my mind if the Cavs offense falls off a cliff to end the season... but somehow I don't think that's likely.

 

[World B ThAreee]

It’s a fan message board, so it makes sense that people will talk about moving this guy based on some redundancy with other guys’ size, skill set, etc. There is evidence to support it, too (i.e. his brief time spent in the backcourt with Garland). That said, I think people are discounting his cultural/chemistry impact. I don’t think this guy is going anywhere. He seems to have a different mentality than most guys his age in the NBA. I think he’s willing to do whatever it takes to help this particular team win. Just my (also largely uninformed) two cents.

 

[B Mac]

Sexton's main goal is to show the league that he's worth a big offer sheet.

You don't do that as a 6th option, a roleplayer off the bench.

Both of these statements are clearly an opinion, but both written as if they are fact.

We do not know what Sexton’s main goal is. We also have seen and you were just given, plenty of examples of guys getting big offer sheets as sixth men.

The notion that teams would be fooled, forget, or be unaware of Sexton’s body of work if he were to come back for the playoffs, seems very flawed to me, no matter if he would start or come off the bench. Teams are aware of what Sexton brings. I don’t see a playoff stretch coming off of a long injury likely to make a huge difference, albeit unless he gets reinjured or puts up some 50 point games.

There has been nothing that’s come from Sexton since he’s got here that would suggest we shouldn’t take him at his word and that he is really focused on team success. I’m just not seeing this me first guy that it seems you are describing.

 

[BimboColesHair]

It’s a fan message board, so it makes sense that people will talk about moving this guy based on some redundancy with other guys’ size, skill set, etc. There is evidence to support it, too (i.e. his brief time spent in the backcourt with Garland). That said, I think people are discounting his cultural/chemistry impact. I don’t think this guy is going anywhere. He seems to have a different mentality than most guys his age in the NBA. I think he’s willing to do whatever it takes to help this particular team win. Just my (also largely uninformed) two cents.

It’s no longer really uninformed too, the Cavs themselves just put out a video and our GM/President of Basketball Ops literally told him he created the culture we currently have.

 

[bs80]

I'm intrigued by how our rumored interest in trading for Gordon pertains to Sexton, since the team probably envisions both players filling a similar role.

On one hand, with Gordon under contract for another season or two (team option for the final year), Eric and Collin would likely be a bit redundant and take minutes from each other.

On the other hand, if Gordon comes in and takes this team to another level by filling his projected role here competently while getting major minutes, it could be an eye-opening proof-of-concept to both the Cavs and to Sexton, making both sides even more motivated to continue their partnership. And hopefully Gordon would still be perceived as a positive asset as a productive player on an expiring contract with a team option that we could parlay into another upgrade at another position.

 

[thestatman]

Sexton's history here is that of being a volume shooter certainly brings negative vibes and the primary reason people are afraid he could disrupt the beauty of this year's team chemistry. But one can argue that he was a volume shooter due to necessity, in that he played on a really bad basketball team. If Sexton wants to win a championship, and I'm pretty sure he does, then he will accept the challenge that he is not batman here anymore and that if he plays ball the way JBB will want him to, he could be a tremendous asset to this team,,even this playoff season.

I put the faith in Bickerstaff to explain what his role needs to be for the team's success. If JB sees a lack of effort on the defensive side or a propensity to fire up bad shots, JB would park his ass on the bench,

 

[shoes22]

Did people not watch Sexton the beginning of the year before he got injured? He was playing off the ball! He wasn’t some me-first, volume chucker some of you are lazily describing him as.

Sexton has been heavily invested in the Cavs success this year even while injured, trying to help our guys out however he can. Coaches still go over game film with him, breaking down opponents. That is not something he or the team had to do by any means.

People talking shit about him are just inventing narratives that aren’t even there.

 

[foucault87]

I hope Rondo is taking Sexton under his wing and showing him how to dissect film. Rondo is just as hard a worker as our young guys and is notorious for being a film junkie. You can find stories of him calling up coaches at 3am because he saw something on the film that he wanted people to know about. Sexton has that same level of drive and Im sure he will only continue to get better as he learns what to look at on the film more.

 

[buzzdog]

Regrding Sexton possibly trying to return this season: the guy obviously (and understandably) wants to salvage some of his value going into restricted free agency, but just plugging him back in the lineup for the playoffs after the team has been gelling without him all season would not be wise.

There would be a huge incentive for Sexton to try to play hero ball and get some limelight on him to make some club give him a sizable offer sheet. I don't think this team needs anything like that in a critical time of the season. It's just a distraction, and I'm pretty sure the FO and coaching staff know it.

So many assumptions.

 

[Heat Check]

So many assumptions.

It would be pretty boring in here without assumptions.

 

[buzzdog]

Both of these statements are clearly an opinion, but both written as if they are fact.

We do not know what Sexton’s main goal is. We also have seen and you were just given, plenty of examples of guys getting big offer sheets as sixth men.

The notion that teams would be fooled, forget, or be unaware of Sexton’s body of work if he were to come back for the playoffs, seems very flawed to me, no matter if he would start or come off the bench. Teams are aware of what Sexton brings. I don’t see a playoff stretch coming off of a long injury likely to make a huge difference, albeit unless he gets reinjured or puts up some 50 point games.

There has been nothing that’s come from Sexton since he’s got here that would suggest we shouldn’t take him at his word and that he is really focused on team success. I’m just not seeing this me first guy that it seems you are describing.

This. But think how boring things would be without such content.

 

[cavsfever]

Who is going to offer him 25M dollars tho? Cavs match up to that IMO.

Why the hell would we guarantee Sexton $25/million a year given issues with fit and coming off a serious knee injury? That would be insane

 

[cavsfever]

Also it’s weird to me how 100% of this discussion has been about Sextons offensive fit with zero mention of the fact that he is a bad defender and his likely impact on our team defense. Does defense just not matter for thinking about whether a guy should get a $25 million contract and a lot of court time?