Damn, Jimmy G this is some serious good quarterbacking.

[Chris]

Value is given what a team is then willing to trade for a certain player/pick. You can say a lot of players, ones that never even played in the NFL haven't earned the value of what they were trade for. That has nothing to do with it.

But if you want the player, and that team won't bend, you either meet its match, or move on.

There's a long list of players that weren't worth what they were traded for.

Was Jay Cutler worth two first round picks, and a third? At the time? With a passer rating in the high 80s (not that impressive in today's era) and turning the ball over 18 times a season?

What did he do that was so good to warrant such a lofty trade? Not much if you ask me, but that's what Denver was only willing to part with him.

If New England has no true desire to get rid of Jimmy, which they don't really. They aren't going to give him away for a penny on the dollar. And I don't really blame them. I don't care how great Brady is, he's still 40 this coming season. And we've seen too many times the all-time greats that seem invincible hit that wall and never come back from it.

If I were the Pats, I'd hold a kings ransom if I'm trading him too.

A king's ransom for a guy like Jimmy G is just not viable. They obviously don't even want to trade him, so you're right- that is what it will take. Which means he won't be going anywhere because the Browns aren't going to do that.

If they're even interested.

 

[Jack Brickman]

If New England has no true desire to get rid of Jimmy, which they don't really.

I'm not convinced this is the case at all. Unless they know Brady is planning on retiring after this year, they're sure as hell not going to be able to pay him next summer.

 

[dark2332]

I'm not convinced this is the case at all. Unless they know Brady is planning on retiring after this year, they're sure as hell not going to be able to pay him next summer.

I agree.

I think he will be traded this offseason. Of course, it makes sense for them to claim he's untouchable now but that narrative is a straight up lie. All that does is increase his perceived value in hopes they get an offer they "can't refuse."

Patriots traded a first and third for Brandin Cooks... c'mon, that screams something is up. It's not New England's way to do that without having a means to replenish. They are a team that has always let high-price players walk and build the team through the draft. You're talking about the original god of compensatory picks.

Unless Tom Brady is retiring after next season or the following, it really makes no sense to franchise Jimmy. I do not get that vibe from Brady. Father Time always catches up, but, this guy looks the same as he did 4-5 years ago. I put him at 3 or 4 more years.

Some of the team's own reporters have said they believe Jimmy really is on the table "for the right price" despite the claims they aren't parting with him.

He's going to get dealt, and it serves the Browns best to wait until the draft. After that point, the window to get maximum value for Jimmy is closing for the Patriots due to both suitors decreasing and time to get him in with the team.

New England can always trade Jimmy on draft night, let's say for #12 and the Texans 2nd. The Patriots have always taken pride in player development. They could aim to take a quarterback next year with that 2nd in what is supposed to be a strong QB class if they don't feel strongly about Brissett. Personally, I believe they love Brissett's potential. Given his draft position and year they took him, he screamed Jimmy replacement to me when they did it. But either way, the proper timeline to groom a Brady replacement starts with either Brissett, a QB next year, or both. This way, they have guys developing on affordable rookie deals while Tom plays out his career.

There's no way they intend to do that with a guy making $20+ million per year on the franchise tag who is not even seeing the field. After all, Tom Brady has taken large pay cuts to make sure the Patriots have the cap room to stay competitive and build a strong team around him. They're really going to waste all that in Tom's final years?

Who has two thumbs and thinks this whole stance is bullshit? THIS GUY (dramatically pointing both thumbs at myself for effect).

 

[AZ_]

Well obviously the powers to be have decided he had


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Perhaps that's what a Patriots value him at, and that's their right.

But it's also why he's still there.

 

[Ohdang]

I'm not saying he has. I'm saying the logic is flawed when you say Garoppolo isn't worth the #12 pick because he is unproven but prospect x is worth it.

Prospect x is on a very team friendly contract for multiple years, Jimmy is not. Creates a big disparity in value when you're the one signing checks.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

Prospect x is on a very team friendly contract for multiple years, Jimmy is not. Creates a big disparity in value when you're the one signing checks.

This argument falls flat for me when we are willing to spend 16 million dollars to buy a second round pick

 

[Ohdang]

This argument falls flat for me when we are willing to spend 16 million dollars to buy a second round pick

Buying an asset in the form of a draft pick with cap space in a year you aren't competing to improve the team for the years you (hopefully) are is vastly different than paying the same amount-ish over multiple years for a guy who you really don't know much more about than a rookie while also spending an asset(s) to get him. Those things are the same the same way an apple is the same as an orange.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

Buying an asset in the form of a draft pick with cap space in a year you aren't competing to improve the team for the years you (hopefully) are is vastly different than paying the same amount-ish over multiple years for a guy who you really don't know much more about than a rookie while also spending an asset(s) to get him. Those things are the same the same way an apple is the same as an orange.

They're both still fruit though. And they would both show that the Browns are committed to spending money if it can result in the team being better

QB is so hard to find financial considerations should be the last thing that comes between you and a potential FQB. I'm perfectly fine spending 15 million dollars a year on a potential fqb even if he doesn't work out. You've gotta commit a lot of resources to the position until you get it right

I'll put it this way: the future financial costs of Jimmy would not stop me from acquiring him. The future draft resources likely would If the pats don't back down from their insane price

 

[godfather]

I'm not convinced this is the case at all. Unless they know Brady is planning on retiring after this year, they're sure as hell not going to be able to pay him next summer.

What if Brady falls off the cliff? I mean, Manning was coming off a 39 touch down season, and just fell off a cliff the following season. Sure, I know he had injuries, but the body just doesn't recover the same. And Brady could get hurt, same thing...

Then suddenly NE needs a QB.

I just can see a flip side for keeping him and trading him if you're NE. You don't have to do either.

Tom Brady is still 40 years old. And the odds are playing at a high level going forward isn't in your favor. Brady might look prove that wrong, but NE still has a reason to be skeptical.

 

[Jack Brickman]

What if Brady falls off the cliff? I mean, Manning was coming off a 39 touch down season, and just fell off a cliff the following season. Sure, I know he had injuries, but the body just doesn't recover the same. And Brady could get hurt, same thing...

Then suddenly NE needs a QB.

I just can see a flip side for keeping him and trading him if you're NE. You don't have to do either.

Tom Brady is still 40 years old. And the odds are playing at a high level going forward isn't in your favor. Brady might look prove that wrong, but NE still has a reason to be skeptical.

I mean, that's obviously a risk, but unless they know that Brady is planning on calling it a career after this season, I don't think they hold onto Jimmy. It just doesn't make sense to hang on to a guy you can't afford to pay the following summer when you can get something for him now.

 

[godfather]

A king's ransom for a guy like Jimmy G is just not viable. They obviously don't even want to trade him, so you're right- that is what it will take. Which means he won't be going anywhere because the Browns aren't going to do that.

If they're even interested.

Well, I don't get the vibe they really want to trade him either. I'd still think they would (but maybe I'm wrong).

There's been no indication at all they want to though. None. The only interest that's been reported is on our side.

I'd like to think they'd at least entertain trading him (forget this number 1 pick talk, that's not happening and they know that).

But, I'm not going to pretend I know how Belichick thinks either.

For all we know, Belichick might say Tom, goodbye. This is the guy that does the unthinkable afterall.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Well, I don't get the vibe they really want to trade him either. I'd still think they would (but maybe I'm wrong).

There's been no indication at all they want to though. None. The only interest that's been reported is on our side.

I'd like to think they'd at least entertain trading him (forget this number 1 pick talk, that's not happening and they know that).

But, I'm not going to pretend I know how Belichick thinks either.

For all we know, Belichick might say Tom, goodbye. This is the guy that does the unthinkable afterall.

I think Belichick is planning on retiring with Brady. I think that's why he's seemingly going all in right now. He knows he only has a couple of seasons left and thus doesn't give much of a shit about the future. That's also why I think they trade Jimmy.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Let's put the Garoppolo offer in perspective. Last year we saw this:

Tennessee gets: Rams' first-round pick that became All Pro right tackle Jack Conklin, two second-round picks (2016), a third-round pick (2016), a first-round pick (2017) and another third-round pick (2017).

Rams get: Jared Goff, a fourth-round pick (2016) and a sixth-round pick (2016).

Looking back at the calendar year, I rarely see a rookie quarterback rise in value from March to August compared to the number of rookie quarterbacks who depreciate in value from March to August. For every Dak Prescott there's five Paxton Lynch's. That's something to bear in mind as the draft approaches.

 

[Los216]

They're both still fruit though. And they would both show that the Browns are committed to spending money if it can result in the team being better

QB is so hard to find financial considerations should be the last thing that comes between you and a potential FQB. I'm perfectly fine spending 15 million dollars a year on a potential fqb even if he doesn't work out. You've gotta commit a lot of resources to the position until you get it right

I'll put it this way: the future financial costs of Jimmy would not stop me from acquiring him. The future draft resources likely would If the pats don't back down from their insane price

Oh really?

 

[godfather]

I think Belichick is planning on retiring with Brady. I think that's why he's seemingly going all in right now. He knows he only has a couple of seasons left and thus doesn't give much of a shit about the future. That's also why I think they trade Jimmy.

I think the practical sense would be to trade him too. But, if it's going to happen, and we want him, it's not going to be for a couple of second round picks like fans want.

Right now, it seems if we want him we're going to have to make a sweet offer to really make New England want to do it.

I think the number one overall pick talk is just smoke. That's the only thing we've heard in regards of NE even considering trading him.

Do I really think it would be their asking price? I doubt it. They know we'd never do it.

But I do think it's their way of saying it's going to be a steep price for them to move him though.