Damn, Jimmy G this is some serious good quarterbacking.

[The Wizard of Moz]

Oh really?

Hey man, I can't help the fact that the Redskins are monumentally stupid. I really have no idea what they're doing.

I would make Cousins the highest paid QB in league history if he hit the open market. Just ask @SixPACK

 

[dark2332]

Hey man, I can't help the fact that the Redskins are monumentally stupid. I really have no idea what they're doing.

I would make Cousins the highest paid QB in league history if he hit the open market. Just ask @SixPACK

I don't even think it's about money though, at least not anymore.

I think Cousins hates Bruce Allen and the dysfunction of the front office.

 

[godfather]

I don't even think it's about money though, at least not anymore.

I think Cousins hates Bruce Allen and the dysfunction of the front office.

They refused to pay him too (at least last year, that was the hold up then), which I don't even really get. Cousins has really turned into a potent passer.

A completion percentage above 67% the last two years, and QBR in the 70s. Why the hell wouldn't you pay him? Lesser QBs have gotten big contracts on less than that.

He nearly threw for 5,000 yards completing 67%. That's Drew Brees territory when it comes to production. The Redskins are absolutely a clusterfuck of an organization.

The guy is just 28, not even technically in his prime for QB standards. There's a lot of teams that would give their left nut for the production he's had the last two seasons.

Outside Brady and Rodgers, he's at least in the category of the rest of the QBs in the league.

 

[dark2332]

They refused to pay him too (at least last year, that was the hold up then), which I don't even really get. Cousins has really turned into a potent passer.

A completion percentage above 67% the last two years, and QBR in the 70s. Why the hell wouldn't you pay him? Lesser QBs have gotten big contracts on less than that.

He nearly threw for 5,000 yards completing 67%. That's Drew Brees territory when it comes to production. The Redskins are absolutely a clusterfuck of an organization.

The guy is just 28, not even technically in his prime for QB standards. There's a lot of teams that would give their left nut for the production he's had the last two seasons.

Outside Brady and Rodgers, he's at least in the category of the rest of the QBs in the league.

As a Browns fan, I couldn't imagine having a 28 year-old QB who is going to give you 4500 yards, complete over 65% of his passes, 25/12 TD/INT ratio, and actually let him slip through your fingers...

That type of production from that position changes everything. The two times since 1999 that we had decent QB play, we made the playoffs with Holcomb (fluke) and had a 10-6 season with Anderson (major fluke and his late season play killed us against Cincinnati).

Imagine Cousins on this team now that we are on our way to building a top 5 offensive line in football.

The defense may be able to play a little when they aren't on the field the entire game.

It changes everything.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Let's put the Garoppolo offer in perspective. Last year we saw this:

Tennessee gets: Rams' first-round pick that became All Pro right tackle Jack Conklin, two second-round picks (2016), a third-round pick (2016), a first-round pick (2017) and another third-round pick (2017).

Rams get: Jared Goff, a fourth-round pick (2016) and a sixth-round pick (2016).

You're valuing the trade a year after the fact rather than how it was valued at the time. The Rams got the No. 1 overall pick in the entire draft, and the price they paid for that was consistent with historical process. Goff was perceived as the clear No. 1 QB, a significantly better prospect than Garrapolo, and was going to be under a rookie contract for 5 years. The Rams were 7-9 the year before he was drafted, and that was without a QB. Most expected them to improve significantly in 2016, making those traded picks comparatively low.

As for Conklin, he was a No. 8 overall, and generally considered the third best OT overall in that draft. Nobody expected him at that time to become an All-Pro his very first year in the league. In terms of how the pick is valued at the time it was made, he could have turned out to be Barkevious Mingo.

Garappolo was almost the last player drafted in the second round, and will only be under contract for one more year. Leveraging a bottom of the second round pick into a top of the round pick, plus more, is a good deal. Getting the No. 12 overall, by itself, would be a great deal. If the Pats prefer to hang onto him rather than getting additional picks and maximizing their chances of winning another title with Brady, then I'd call their bluff. To much risk on our end for a guy we've barely seen play.

 

[dark2332]

You're valuing the trade a year after the fact rather than how it was valued at the time. The Rams got the No. 1 overall pick in the entire draft, and the price they paid for that was consistent with historical process. Goff was perceived as the clear No. 1 QB, a significantly better prospect than Garrapolo, and was going to be under a rookie contract for 5 years. The Rams were 7-9 the year before he was drafted, and that was without a QB. Most expected them to improve significantly in 2016, making those traded picks comparatively low.

As for Conklin, he was a No. 8 overall, and generally considered the third best OT overall in that draft. Nobody expected him at that time to become an All-Pro his very first year in the league. In terms of how the pick is valued at the time it was made, he could have turned out to be Barkevious Mingo.

Garappolo was almost the last player drafted in the second round, and will only be under contract for one more year. Leveraging a bottom of the second round pick into a top of the round pick, plus more, is a good deal. Getting the No. 12 overall, by itself, would be a great deal. If the Pats prefer to hang onto him rather than getting additional picks and maximizing their chances of winning another title with Brady, then I'd call their bluff. To much risk on our end for a guy we've barely seen play.

Not to mention some of their assets were cashed in to move back up to get Conklin.

 

[Randolphkeys]

You're valuing the trade a year after the fact rather than how it was valued at the time. The Rams got the No. 1 overall pick in the entire draft, and the price they paid for that was consistent with historical process. Goff was perceived as the clear No. 1 QB, a significantly better prospect than Garrapolo, and was going to be under a rookie contract for 5 years. The Rams were 7-9 the year before he was drafted, and that was without a QB. Most expected them to improve significantly in 2016, making those traded picks comparatively low.

As for Conklin, he was a No. 8 overall, and generally considered the third best OT overall in that draft. Nobody expected him at that time to become an All-Pro his very first year in the league. In terms of how the pick is valued at the time it was made, he could have turned out to be Barkevious Mingo.

Garappolo was almost the last player drafted in the second round, and will only be under contract for one more year. Leveraging a bottom of the second round pick into a top of the round pick, plus more, is a good deal. Getting the No. 12 overall, by itself, would be a great deal. If the Pats prefer to hang onto him rather than getting additional picks and maximizing their chances of winning another title with Brady, then I'd call their bluff. To much risk on our end for a guy we've barely seen play.

Hindsight might make my argument look good now, but foresight made the Browns front office look good at the time. Who would argue the Browns should have taken Wentz right now?

Goff might end up a good quarterback two seasons from now, but plenty of people on this website said the price was an overpay last March. Goff and Wentz have tools, but neither looked ready to play like a top 15 QB out of the gate in the NFL. I believe first round quarterbacks are like a brand new car. As soon as they get a few miles on the odometer, their value drops quickly. Part of that is the draft/college football hype machine. These guys take a few years to develop in NFL practices and games unless their certifiable freaks.

 

[randymoss1881]

What if Brady falls off the cliff? I mean, Manning was coming off a 39 touch down season, and just fell off a cliff the following season. Sure, I know he had injuries, but the body just doesn't recover the same. And Brady could get hurt, same thing...

Then suddenly NE needs a QB.

I just can see a flip side for keeping him and trading him if you're NE. You don't have to do either.

Tom Brady is still 40 years old. And the odds are playing at a high level going forward isn't in your favor. Brady might look prove that wrong, but NE still has a reason to be skeptical.

Manning was coming off a neck injury and only produced cause he was on HGH. Now if Brady gets neck surgery than we can compare those two


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[godfather]

Manning was coming off a neck injury and only produced cause he was on HGH. Now if Brady gets neck surgery than we can compare those two


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That neck injury was 5 years ago. And he went on to throw for a league record 55 touch downs, and lead the most potent offense to the SB. The neck injuries affected his ability to throw the ball like he was 28, but he was still an elite QB.

He had nagging injuries that he couldn't recover from his final season, and, or, he was just obviously regressing too. I'd say it's a combination of both.

Brady might have a longer leash, but he like all the other greats will hit the wall too.

Favre at 40 had 33 and 7 year, then followed it up with his worst year yet. Brady might not fall off this season, but it's coming sooner than later.

As for the HGH? Please, we're going to use some report that didn't validate a single bit of proof he did take HGH, and assume it's true? Really?

Okay, then Brady deflated footballs. So, there.

 

[randymoss1881]

That neck injury was 5 years ago. And he went on to throw for a league record 55 touch downs, and lead the most potent offense to the SB. The neck injuries affected his ability to throw the ball like he was 28, but he was still an elite QB.

He had nagging injuries that he couldn't recover from his final season, and, or, he was just obviously regressing too. I'd say it's a combination of both.

Brady might have a longer leash, but he like all the other greats will hit the wall too.

Favre at 40 had 33 and 7 year, then followed it up with his worst year yet. Brady might not fall off this season, but it's coming sooner than later.

As for the HGH? Please, we're going to use some report that didn't validate a single bit of proof he did take HGH, and assume it's true? Really?

Okay, then Brady deflated footballs. So, there.

So you think his wife used HGH? The point is he had a major surgery which affected him Brady however is getting better even his deep ball got better last year.
Farve didn't take care of his body the way Brady does hell he didn't even want to go to training camps meanwhile Brady won't let Jimmy G take snaps in blow outs.


And I'm not entertaining the deflated ball nonsense, what a complete and utter joke

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[godfather]

So you think his wife used HGH? The point is he had a major surgery which affected him Brady however is getting better even his deep ball got better last year.
Farve didn't take care of his body the way Brady does hell he didn't even want to go to training camps meanwhile Brady won't let Jimmy G take snaps in blow outs.


And I'm not entertaining the deflated ball nonsense, what a complete and utter joke

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Taking care of your body has nothing to do with it.

I think Brady is the greatest QB of all time. And him being able to play at such a high level is impressive.

But, he's not going to keep it up like this until he's 45 like he thinks. Father time is undefeated. The body breaks down and doesn't absorb wear and tear like it once did. Will it happen this year? Maybe not, maybe not even the following year. It's coming soon rather than later.

Hits add up.

The deflated comment was a joke, relax.

I just find it ironic that a Pats fan would make the claim Peyton Manning used HGH because of a very flimsy report by Al Jeezera. And the suppose source recanted everything.

So, we're supposed to believe that? Gimme a break.

 

[randymoss1881]

Taking care of your body has nothing to do with it.

I think Brady is the greatest QB of all time. And him being able to play at such a high level is impressive.

But, he's not going to keep it up like this until he's 45 like he thinks. Father time is undefeated. The body breaks down and doesn't absorb wear and tear like it once did. Will it happen this year? Maybe not, maybe not even the following year. It's coming soon rather than later.

Hits add up.

The deflated comment was a joke, relax.

I just find it ironic that a Pats fan would make the claim Peyton Manning used HGH because of a very flimsy report by Al Jeezera. And the suppose source recanted everything.

So, we're supposed to believe that? Gimme a break.

I think Brady has 2-3 more good years left that enough to trade Jimmy and groom Brissett.

The HGH to Deflate gate is different because the balls literaly have no affect on his performance this is backed by stats since the game. HGH on the other hand would assist a player.

Deflate gate was a witch hunt anyways


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[CommD]

Hindsight might make my argument look good now, but foresight made the Browns front office look good at the time. Who would argue the Browns should have taken Wentz right now?

Goff might end up a good quarterback two seasons from now, but plenty of people on this website said the price was an overpay last March. Goff and Wentz have tools, but neither looked ready to play like a top 15 QB out of the gate in the NFL. I believe first round quarterbacks are like a brand new car. As soon as they get a few miles on the odometer, their value drops quickly. Part of that is the draft/college football hype machine. These guys take a few years to develop in NFL practices and games unless their certifiable freaks.

This is the reason CLE cannot get caught up in the Garrett hype and must evaluate the QB's on their merits. If they believe there is a franchise QB there, they must consider taking him at #1; it cannot be left to "whoever falls to 12".

Who can say conclusively that Goff is better that Watson or Trubisky? I'm sure there are many armchair experts who think they can, but CLE cannot make a final decision until the QB pro-days, and more importantly the exclusive workouts.

If Garrett is determined to be the best option at that point, then so be it. But solving the QB conundrum will remain the priority until the problem is solved.

 

[Randolphkeys]

This is the reason CLE cannot get caught up in the Garrett hype

Right there. Everyone should stop reading and laugh right there.

 

[The Oi]

Why do people feel that the Pats are higher on Brissett than Jimmy?