Do you re-sign Andre Drummond? How much?

[Derek]

double draft is 22 i'm pretty sure. But yeah, a late first in '21 or '22 (I don't believe we will get it? maybe from a contender that sustained some injuries to their big man?).

The double draft is seeming less and less likely to occur that soon

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

The double draft is seeming less and less likely to occur that soon

Really? why is that?

That would really suck because we loaded on '22 2nd round picks for a reason :/

 

[Derek]

Really? why is that?

That would really suck because we loaded on '22 2nd round picks for a reason :/

Just what’s being reported. I have no knowledge beyond that.

 

[Ohioplayer00]

How many years have you coached and played in the NBA?

Just curious.

ETA: Also, Tristan Thompson.

I have played this game from grade school through college! Have played in a few Pro-Am leagues in my time, and have coached several successful AAU teams! So I DO have more than a little knowledge about this game! You don’t have to have coached or played in the NBA to know the game.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I have played this game from grade school through college! Have played in a few Pro-Am leagues in my time, and have coached several successful AAU teams! So I DO have more than a little knowledge about this game! You don’t have to have coached or played in the NBA to know the game.

I wasn't questioning your knowledge of the game of basketball itself. I was questioning your knowledge that no NBA big men is ever willing to just play defense and rebound.

After all, plenty of NBA big men have relished playing the role of rebounder and defensive anchor, Ben Wallace, TT, Mutombo, and Capela, just to name a few.

 

[Ohioplayer00]

I wasn't questioning your knowledge of the game of basketball itself. I was questioning your knowledge that no NBA big men is ever willing to just play defense and rebound.

After all, plenty of NBA big men have relished playing the role of rebounder and defensive anchor, Ben Wallace, TT, Mutombo, and Capela, just to name a few.

And I wasn't stating just NBA big men felt that way.....but every player you mentioned were all offensively limited. Do you think Shaq, KAT, AD, or even back in the day Jabbar, Laimbeer, or even Daughtery would have relished playing that role. If You have offensive skills you want to touch the ball.....but if you are limited then yes you don't mind playing that anchor role.

 

[BigZ94]

And I wasn't stating just NBA big men felt that way.....but every player you mentioned were all offensively limited. Do you think Shaq, KAT, AD, or even back in the day Jabbar, Laimbeer, or even Daughtery would have relished playing that role. If You have offensive skills you want to touch the ball.....but if you are limited then yes you don't mind playing that anchor role.

What offensive skill set does Drummond have? All I see are sloppy lazy passes, no jumper, lazy rolls in the P&R, why involve a guy that barely puts in effort on the offensive end. I understand involving your big man in high school for the reasons you mentioned but this is the NBA, part of being an NBA player is knowing your limitations and playing to your strengths. If your strengths are rebounding and defending the paint thats what you do. Not try to beat your man off the dribble and shoot 3s when those simply arnt part of your skill set...

 

[Ohioplayer00]

What offensive skill set does Drummond have? All I see are sloppy lazy passes, no jumper, lazy rolls in the P&R, why involve a guy that barely puts in effort on the offensive end.

Then you haven’t been watching him throughout his career. Drummond is very skilled offensively down low.....jump hook shot, sweeping hook shot, has a nice 10-15 foot jump shot and has a nice drop step for lay ups and dunks! Don’t judge him on one game.

 

[foucault87]

I love a good post game as much as anyone but unless you are joel embiid or LaMarcus Aldridge, shooting out of the post is one of the least efficient options on offense. Passing out of the post is still efficient. Backing down against a mismatch is efficient. 90% of players have no business going into the post against players their size

If Drummond wants low post touches, he should be watching the game from the bench. I've said it elsewhere but he would be much better utilized as a high post hub or short roller where he can use his passing skills and not have to rely on inefficient post shots.

 

[ice cream man]

Then you haven’t been watching him throughout his career. Drummond is very skilled offensively down low.....jump hook shot, sweeping hook shot, has a nice 10-15 foot jump shot and has a nice drop step for lay ups and dunks! Don’t judge him on one game.

Smh. He is built to be a physical bigman but he plays a finesse game. He is large so he can move smaller centers around which is useful on both ends. But other than that, yeah I guess he can throw down nice dunks when there's nobody within a 3 ft radius. He dribble into traffic a lot. A nice jump shot?????? Worst FT% doesn't help your argument. He is a large athletic man, and that could be valuable if he played hard. Not a skilled bball player.

 

[Ohioplayer00]

I love a good post game as much as anyone but unless you are joel embiid or LaMarcus Aldridge, shooting out of the post is one of the least efficient options on offense. Passing out of the post is still efficient. Backing down against a mismatch is efficient. 90% of players have no business going into the post against players their size

If Drummond wants low post touches, he should be watching the game from the bench. I've said it elsewhere but he would be much better utilized as a high post hub or short roller where he can use his passing skills and not have to rely on inefficient post shots.

Why is it that a big man who wants touches down low (where a man his size should get the ball) should watch game from the bench? That’s been the Cavs issue for years....no inside threat. We rely too much on jump shots as is....now if you’re saying the game (and the way the Cavs are going to playing going forward) has passed him by and we have no need for a low post big man I’ll accept that! And if that’s the case WHY did Koby bring him in from the jump! But you can’t sit there with a straight face and say he shouldn’t get low post touches!

 

[foucault87]

Why is it that a big man who wants touches down low (where a man his size should get the ball) should watch game from the bench? That’s been the Cavs issue for years....no inside threat. We rely too much on jump shots as is....now if you’re saying the game (and the way the Cavs are going to playing going forward) has passed him by and we have no need for a low post big man I’ll accept that! And if that’s the case WHY did Koby bring him in from the jump! But you can’t sit there with a straight face and say he shouldn’t get low post touches!

Part of it is the game has moved away from that. Post play is too ineffecient. Much better to get shots at the rim or open 3s instead of waiting 15 seconds as your plodding center probes for a semi-contested fade from 12 feet. I would 100% rather see a corner 3 attempt than a postup. The only value in the post now is passing, which you see from big playmakers like Joker and Bron. He shouldn't get low post touches and no one should. It isn't 1990 anymore. If you want an inside threat, get a good driver or cutter...which we have between Sexton and Okoro now.

As it were, even if this was the 90s, I don't want Drummond posting up because he is bad at it. He is strong and fast but tries to score in the post like he is Andre Miller not Dwight Howard. He has been pretty disappointing in utilizing the tools he has. It is much worse on defense, but that has been covered elsewhere. I don't mind trading for a year of Drummond since we gave up 0 assets. I expect he will not be on the roster by the end of the year. Hopefully we get a second or something for him, but I am not expecting a first at this point.

 

[Murph]

Part of it is the game has moved away from that. Post play is too ineffecient. Much better to get shots at the rim or open 3s instead of waiting 15 seconds as your plodding center probes for a semi-contested fade from 12 feet. I would 100% rather see a corner 3 attempt than a postup. The only value in the post now is passing, which you see from big playmakers like Joker and Bron. He shouldn't get low post touches and no one should. It isn't 1990 anymore. If you want an inside threat, get a good driver or cutter...which we have between Sexton and Okoro now.

As it were, even if this was the 90s, I don't want Drummond posting up because he is bad at it. He is strong and fast but tries to score in the post like he is Andre Miller not Dwight Howard. He has been pretty disappointing in utilizing the tools he has. It is much worse on defense, but that has been covered elsewhere. I don't mind trading for a year of Drummond since we gave up 0 assets. I expect he will not be on the roster by the end of the year. Hopefully we get a second or something for him, but I am not expecting a first at this point.

Drummond is not inefficient from the post. Last season he shot 54% on his 2 point field goals for the Cavs, and tonight he was 5-5 on 2 pointers. He shoots 55% for his career from inside the 3 point line.

I think it’s valid to criticize him for taking too many 3 pointers, but I don’t think it’s valid to say he shouldn’t be scoring much at all.

I hope he gets traded in a sign and trade to a contender that wants him. The Cavs are not a good fit.

 

[foucault87]

Drummond is not inefficient from the post. Last season he shot 54% on his 2 point field goals for the Cavs, and tonight he was 5-5 on 2 pointers. He shoots 55% for his career from inside the 3 point line.

I think it’s valid to criticize him for taking too many 3 pointers, but I don’t think it’s valid to say he shouldn’t be scoring much at all.

I hope he gets traded in a sign and trade to a contender that wants him. The Cavs are not a good fit.

Sure, because he is shooting 65%+ on his career at the rim. And he should! He is huge. But as soon as he takes any other two point shot, its a mistake. He shoots 37% on his career in the low post range and even worse from further out. I don't have access to the possession stats but I bet the PPP on a Drummond postup is well below average.

He can be a 15 ppg guy from putbacks, dumpoffs, and PnR. If Drummond can get to ~33% from 3, I would 100% him rather shoot a three than a postup shot.

 

[Murph]

Unimpactful? The guy has led the league in rebounding 2 out of the last three years. Was in the top five in blocked shots! I think Dre gets a bad rep for playing on terrible Piston teams. PLUS in my years of playing and coaching the game no big man wants to be told “stay out of the way and just rebound”! Every big man wants to be involved in the offense and wants touches as well! This is best center the Cavs have had since Z and we use him accordingly.

Drummond has led the league in rebounded 3 of the last 3 years, and 4 of the last 5 years.

I think the solution to keeping Drummond happy, engaged and efficient is for Bickerstaff to run a lot of plays for him, such as pick-n-rolls and ally-oops.

A big part of the problem in Detroit was that Reggie Jackson and Blake Griffin were always hurt. When those two guys were on the IL, that represented $53 million in salary that was non-performing. It’s tough to win that way, and Drummond had nothing to do with the construction of the roster in Detroit. That franchise is a train wreck.