Moves the Indians should make for the 2nd half

[Gson]

We are not trading Hernandez to the White Sox. We are not going to eat salary to get a better prospect, because we already have more prospects than we can roster.

I like Hernandez, but he is not as valuable as some of the other reasonably available 2Bs....like Frazier and Escobar.

Perhaps, an RP can be added to Cesar to entice a deal.. but, only perhaps..

 

[Kevalier]

Why do you want to keep Amed at SS and Gimenez at 2B for the next 78 games if those aren't the positions either is going to play long-term?

I see that as wasting opportunity.

With Gabriel Arias considered by some to be the best defensive SS in the system, Gimenez isn't necessarily locked in as the long-term SS here. Also, I would think it would behoove Amed to give him an entire offseason to stretch out his arm and devote a lengthy period of time to being in CF as opposed to throwing him back out there now. If they decide to move him to CF in August, I'm not necessarily opposed to it, but I still think it makes the most sense to wait until the offseason. Plus, that way CF for the remainder of 2021 is split between DJ and Mercado.

 

[CATS44]

Amed is not going to Columbus...period.

Zimmer at best is a late inning defensive replacement and designated base runner. That kind of player is a luxury on a loaded baseball team or a starter on a bottom feeder with no plan to contend in the near future.

We are neither. We are either gonna make a run this year or prepare for next. Zimmer does not fit either scenario. He is an emergency fill in.

 

[Kevalier]

He's too good of a runner not to try in CF if they can.

Natural athlete, could cover quite a bit of ground out there with experience.

Deal Rosario, deal Hernandez.


RF - Luplow/Johnson
CF - Rosario
3B - Ramirez (S)
DH - Reyes
1B - Bradley (L)
LF - Ramirez
2B - Miller
SS - Gimenez
C - Perez

Let these guys like Miller, Johnson, Gimenez, Bradley and Ramirez get some run.

Big Ern obviously factors in anywhere in this lineup.

Where is Nolan Jones in this scenario though? If/when we are out of contention and dump Eddie Rosario before the deadline, he needs to be up here at the very least in a platoon role.

 

[LL3]

I have been out of the loop/off the grid for the past 4-5 days, so I know I have been spared much of the current spiral down. I do not believe the Tribe world is nearly as dire as it seems in this moment, but yeah it sucks. It may not be likely, but it would not be entirely shocking if we started winning again with a return of the needed healthy arms -- we'll see.

I believe there is a market for a healthy Eddie...not that I believe we'll get much return, but his remaining salary will represent a significant issue, either.

Hernandez is a player that will command more interest, not for what he has done this season, but for what he has done previously, and will likely be able to do on a similar level moving forward. His salary is not at all a hindrance. If for some reason (we start winning again?) he stays, it would not be shocking to me to see the FO pick up his option and trade him over the winter....very reasonable 1 year deal. But I neither want, nor think it is all likely that he returns for 2022.

 

[AZ_]

Where is Nolan Jones in this scenario though? If/when we are out of contention and dump Eddie Rosario before the deadline, he needs to be up here at the very least in a platoon role.

No platoon role for players that need everyday at-bats.

Not exactly a Murderers Row of guys he'd need to climb over to earn playing time.

Harold Ramirez is more likely to come back to Earth than not, the same could be said for Daniel Johnson never getting it going.

 

[CATS44]

When thinking about moves the FO should make this month, ask yourself these questions...

Do you think they should or will keep Zimmer (no options left) on the 40 man this winter?

Mercado (ditto)?

Johnson?

Luplow?

Chang?

Hedges?

Berto?

Shaw (would have to be resigned)?

Wittgren?

Maton?

Hernandez?

If you choose any of them to be dropped, who should take their place?

If you choose to keep any of them, which prospect should be left unprotected?

The answers to those questions should color your ideas as to the present roster and near term moves.

Every move has a consequence.

 

[yrm0019]

With Biebs and Civale out until at least August, the hard reality is 2021 is no longer about competing for the playoffs. IMO the rest of the season should be geared towards 2022 and beyond. To that end, every plate appearance given to Eddie Rosario and Cesar Hernandez is a wasted development opportunity for younger players who likely figure into 2022-and-beyond plans. Gimenez has little to prove at Triple A. By many accounts, Amed Rosario has kept a good attitude with being moved back and forth between INF/OF. He has not played any 2B in his career that I can tell, so it is best for him to play somewhere in the OF for the time being.

I'm not bearish on the future prospects of Zimmer, Mercado or Chang either, but at the same time, there is no reason to hand over big league opportunities to Nolan Jones or Owen Miller et al unless the org feels they are prepared enough to compete, fail and get back on their feet again at the big league level. I'm impatient by nature and tend to get irked at service time manipulation, but I also acknowledge that the FO/Coaches know a thing or two about player development. Handing over unearned jobs at the big league level is rarely a wise decision.

At the very least I'd like to see Amed get an everyday OF spot, Gimenez at SS and (for now) Clement at 2B. The defensive improvements alone would be worth the change.

 

[sportscoach]

No platoon role for players that need everyday at-bats.

Not exactly a Murderers Row of guys he'd need to climb over to earn playing time.

Harold Ramirez is more likely to come back to Earth than not, the same could be said for Daniel Johnson never getting it going.

If it is Jones, I think he will get platooned... Now he may not get pinch hit for but I don't see him facing many lefties the rest of the season...

HRams plate production in my mind is legit, now he won't be worth much defensively though...

On other notes, personally I am okay with moving Zimmer, Hernandez, both Rosario's and Wittgren on paper. Shaw, DJ Johnson, Parker we can part with as well...

Now everyone knows why Hernandez and Eddie. We have a bunch of young arms... So moving from Wittgren, Shaw, DJ Johnson, Parker guys makes sense... Maybe keep Shaw as a veteran out there. Now Zimmer isnt going to be apart of the team in 22, so move on now. Also reason why I am okay with moving Amad is the fact of he has two years of team control after this, but someone would have to offer a lot (aka we don't have to trade him, but if they offer us a lot, I think we could move them).

Maybe a trade with SF...

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

With Gabriel Arias considered by some to be the best defensive SS in the system, Gimenez isn't necessarily locked in as the long-term SS here. Also, I would think it would behoove Amed to give him an entire offseason to stretch out his arm and devote a lengthy period of time to being in CF as opposed to throwing him back out there now. If they decide to move him to CF in August, I'm not necessarily opposed to it, but I still think it makes the most sense to wait until the offseason. Plus, that way CF for the remainder of 2021 is split between DJ and Mercado.

Nobody is guaranteed to hit. If Gimenez takes the role, that's a win.

What's the reason to deprive Amed of CF experience now? Do you think we're a contender or something?

 

[Mott the Hoople]

The best way to learn CF is to play CF.
Amed is a good athlete with good speed. He just needs the repetition to learn the skill of playing CF.
Will he make mistakes in CF? Absolutely. But hell, there's a ball misplayed in the OF almost every game. If, by chance, he DOESN'T adapt to the OF, that would also answer a question.
All we would be doing I getting a head start on 2022.

 

[Criznit]

If they don't move Amed back to CF at some point in 2021, I do have to wonder if that is where he ends up in 2022. Think he could end up in LF or even at 2nd myself.

If they move Eddie and pull the plug on DJ we could see an OF with Amed in LF, Zimmer/Mercado in CF and Harold in RF for the remainder of 2021. Also think Zimmer has more life on the roster and will not be DFA'd before Mercado. One of these guys may end up traded for a bag o' balls as well.

 

[mopete12]

When thinking about moves the FO should make this month, ask yourself these questions...

Do you think they should or will keep Zimmer (no options left) on the 40 man this winter?

Mercado (ditto)?

Johnson?

Luplow?

Chang?

Hedges?

Berto?

Shaw (would have to be resigned)?

Wittgren?

Maton?

Hernandez?

If you choose any of them to be dropped, who should take their place?

If you choose to keep any of them, which prospect should be left unprotected?

The answers to those questions should color your ideas as to the present roster and near term moves.

Every move has a consequence.

Anyone know where to get a list of guys that become Rule 5 eligible or minor league free agents this offseason if they aren’t put on the 40 man?

Edit: this was posted right after I asked

 

[33Y0]

Anyone know where to get a list of guys that become Rule 5 eligible or minor league free agents this offseason if they aren’t put on the 40 man?

Edit: this was posted right after I asked

From that, I would protect Cantillo, Freeman, Palacios, and Valera. McCarthy would be a maybe.

 

[Martyinnewyork]

For anyone thinking Richie Palacios could be our future CF, the Indians apparently don’t agree. He has played a whopping 7 games there this year, and 30 at 2B…