Moves the Indians should make for the 2nd half

[Martyinnewyork]

McCarthy ain’t gettin protected

 

[sportscoach]

Anyone know where to get a list of guys that become Rule 5 eligible or minor league free agents this offseason if they aren’t put on the 40 man?

Edit: this was posted right after I asked

I thought Naylor was eligible, but doing the math, I guess he isn't...

From that list though, I'll make two tiers, one of probably should be protect and two of may be protected...(player) means rule 5 eligible that was passed up

Tier 1
Cantillo
Freeman
Valera
Lavastida

Tier 2
(Benson)
(Oscar Gonzalez)
(Perez)
Broom
Morris
Scott
Diaz
Bracho
Rocchio
Noel
Palacios
Tena
Holmes
Kwan
Planez

After that, I don't think any could be mentioned...

 

[Criznit]

Cody Morris will be picked if left unprotected IMO.

 

[mopete12]

I thought Naylor was eligible, but doing the math, I guess he isn't...

From that list though, I'll make two tiers, one of probably should be protect and two of may be protected...(player) means rule 5 eligible that was passed up

Tier 1
Cantillo
Freeman
Valera
Lavastida

Tier 2
(Benson)
(Oscar Gonzalez)
Broom
Morris
Scott
Diaz
Bracho
Rocchio
Noel
Palacios
Tena
Holmes
Kwan
Planez

After that, I don't think any could be mentioned...

And this is last years list of eligible people

 

[Kevalier]

I thought Naylor was eligible, but doing the math, I guess he isn't...

From that list though, I'll make two tiers, one of probably should be protect and two of may be protected...(player) means rule 5 eligible that was passed up

Tier 1
Cantillo
Freeman
Valera
Lavastida

Tier 2
(Benson)
(Oscar Gonzalez)
Broom
Morris
Scott
Diaz
Bracho
Rocchio
Noel
Palacios
Tena
Holmes
Kwan
Planez

After that, I don't think any could be mentioned...

Rocchio and Bracho both belong in Tier 1. Especially Rocchio. No way either of them are left unprotected.

 

[sportscoach]

Rocchio and Bracho both belong in Tier 1. Especially Rocchio. No way either of them are left unprotected.

Problem is neither guy has proven anything at A ball yet...

 

[Kevalier]

Problem is neither guy has proven anything at A ball yet...

Bracho has yet to produce at the plate this season, but Rocchio’s OPS for the month of June was .953.

 

[sportscoach]

Bracho has yet to produce at the plate this season, but Rocchio’s OPS for the month of June was .953.

Morris and Scott are two more guys who could put themselves on the Tier 1, but I have a hunch, one of Rocchio or Bracho ends up getting traded...

 

[DerekG123]

I thought Naylor was eligible, but doing the math, I guess he isn't...

From that list though, I'll make two tiers, one of probably should be protect and two of may be protected...(player) means rule 5 eligible that was passed up

Tier 1
Cantillo
Freeman
Valera
Lavastida

Tier 2
(Benson)
(Oscar Gonzalez)
Broom
Morris
Scott
Diaz
Bracho
Rocchio
Noel
Palacios
Tena
Holmes
Kwan
Planez

After that, I don't think any could be mentioned...

Francisco Perez?

 

[sportscoach]

Francisco Perez?

This was originally a list for a first time Rule 5... He was probably Rule 5 last season and no one took it, but I probably should put him on my list...

Edited- well I guess two seasons ago. I meant to originally have probably and I didn't have it there lol

 

[MadThinker88]

I pretty sure LHP Francisco Perez was signed at age 16 in 2016 and didn't debut in a game until age 17 (in 2017).

If that is correct, Perez has been thru the R5 twice already and is a minor league free agent after this season (before the R5 this year)...

 

[sportscoach]

I pretty sure LHP Francisco Perez was signed at age 16 in 2016 and didn't debut in a game until age 17 (in 2017).

If that is correct, Perez has been thru the R5 twice already and is a minor league free agent after this season (before the R5 this year)...

Thanks for the correction!

That probably also means he could be a minor league free agent if we don't add him to the 40?

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

I have a question. If a team selects a player in rule 5 who is still in A ball (like a George Valera, for example), they have to keep him on their major league roster for the entire season to obtain his rights. However, a 20-year-old in A ball is in no way ready for major league baseball so the kid would just sit on the bench for a year, losing a valuable year of development and taking up a roster spot that could have been used for another relief pitcher or a bench guy who could actually help you.

So I don't see the point of selecting very young players from the low levels no matter how highly they are ranked based on long term potential. You would actually be hurting their development and hurting your team for the following year. Unless you were positive this kid will turn out to be an All-Star despite skipping a year of competition it would not be worth it I would think.

Any flaw in that reasoning? My sense is that most Rule 5 selections are older guys who are more advanced and can help immediately while still having more upside, like Trevor Stephan.

I know the Dodgers did something like that with Sandy Koufax and it worked out for them.

 

[sportscoach]

I have a question. If a team selects a player in rule 5 who is still in A ball (like a George Valera, for example), they have to keep him on their major league roster for the entire season to obtain his rights. However, a 20-year-old in A ball is in no way ready for major league baseball so the kid would just sit on the bench for a year, losing a valuable year of development and taking up a roster spot that could have been used for another relief pitcher or a bench guy who could actually help you.

So I don't see the point of selecting very young players from the low levels no matter how highly they are ranked based on long term potential. You would actually be hurting their development and hurting your team for the following year. Unless you were positive this kid will turn out to be an All-Star despite skipping a year of competition it would not be worth it I would think.

Any flaw in that reasoning? My sense is that most Rule 5 selections are older guys who are more advanced and can help immediately while still having more upside, like Trevor Stephan.

I know the Dodgers did something like that with Sandy Koufax and it worked out for them.

You explained exactly why the reason the Indians didn't add Santander to the 40 man roster... He was hurt and didn't play above A ball... But as a rebuilding club, Orioles, Pirates etc who aren't looking to contend in 22, could stow away a player for a season for long term benefit they believe of the organization...

Personally in OOTP when I am rebuilding a team, I bite the bullet and take Rule 5 guys. Now it's not real life, so usually they do as well as their current talent and don't lose moral/development as much as you would do in real life, but it's worth taking the chance on since you infuse more talent into your team overall while everyone is developing anyways...

Now you aren't wrong with the fact most Rule 5 guys are upper minors guys who for one reason or another are left out in the cold in their original organization, but teams will still take some chances take chances on lower tier guys especially from good farm systems or players who fit their organizational system.

 

[AZ_]

I have a question. If a team selects a player in rule 5 who is still in A ball (like a George Valera, for example), they have to keep him on their major league roster for the entire season to obtain his rights. However, a 20-year-old in A ball is in no way ready for major league baseball so the kid would just sit on the bench for a year, losing a valuable year of development and taking up a roster spot that could have been used for another relief pitcher or a bench guy who could actually help you.

So I don't see the point of selecting very young players from the low levels no matter how highly they are ranked based on long term potential. You would actually be hurting their development and hurting your team for the following year. Unless you were positive this kid will turn out to be an All-Star despite skipping a year of competition it would not be worth it I would think.

Any flaw in that reasoning? My sense is that most Rule 5 selections are older guys who are more advanced and can help immediately while still having more upside, like Trevor Stephan.

I know the Dodgers did something like that with Sandy Koufax and it worked out for them.

Spot on, Johan Santana another.

Santander worked out because they stashed him on the 60-day DL recovering from a shoulder injury.