The 2021 Cleveland Baseball Organization

[Benway]

It will be fascinating to watch the statistical effects of the Great Sticky Purge.

 

[N7RobBob]

It will be fascinating to watch the statistical effects of the Great Sticky Purge.

I'm just shocked that MLB is doing this mid season bullshit. You mean you couldn't have fixed this before the year started or waited until next year. Puts themselves in a fun situation.

 

[macbdog]

I'm just shocked that MLB is doing this mid season bullshit. You mean you couldn't have fixed this before the year started or waited until next year. Puts themselves in a fun situation.

No time like the present, just glad they finally took action. Curious that our own Bieber is a cheater, I guess I was foolish enough to think he was the clean one and it was Civale, the guy with crazy spin on his 90 mph and below offerings who keeps on keeping on. I just don't get how it has killed Bieb's location, unless the walks are dt hitters no longer being fooled into swinging at breaking balls out of zone.

Team better get Colon on speed dial, pretty sure bacon grease isn't on the banned substance list.

 

[jup]

No time like the present, just glad they finally took action. Curious that our own Bieber is a cheater, I guess I was foolish enough to think he was the clean one and it was Civale, the guy with crazy spin on his 90 mph and below offerings who keeps on keeping on. I just don't get how it has killed Bieb's location, unless the walks are dt hitters no longer being fooled into swinging at breaking balls out of zone.

Team better get Colon on speed dial, pretty sure bacon grease isn't on the banned substance list.

Some people still haven't stopped using their substance. NOT trying to implicate Civale, just talking league wide. I am well aware of several starting pitchers that went to the mound yesterday still doing their normal thing.

The consensus among many is, until MLB says they are going to actually start checking they are going to the same old same old. Because that is what MLB told them before the year. That this year was about investigating and collecting data, and they were assured no one was going to get checked. But all things are subject to change and clearly this has.

It is about the Benjamins, MLB sees this as a possible way to get "action" back in the game without having to make other modifications (testing in minor leagues). And the concern has been for the key demographic of fans MLB is not attracting because that is the future value of the owners franchise. So when the owners see something as a possible solution to their "more action" in the game problem, that is the future value of their franchise, it catches their attention.

 

[jup]

I'm just shocked that MLB is doing this mid season bullshit. You mean you couldn't have fixed this before the year started or waited until next year. Puts themselves in a fun situation.

Talking to a couple of Rangers pitchers the other day. They were lamenting about how Chris Young (now GM but was the head of enforcement at MLB up to this new gig) sat them down and told them how he wanted NO sticky stuff use - Natha - early in the year. But then as they have been getting hammered, they are all over them about not being able to get guys out. And they are like WTF, you don't want to let use what we prepared for and are use to using and were assured behind the scenes that they weren't going to get suspended for using but yet you want to hammer us when we don't get guys out trying to adapt mid stream. It was really kind of a funny conversation.

But it goes to the heart of the question about timing. Mid season changes, where pitchers are caught preparing for the season one way, only to have things change significantly mid season, seems to be their biggest complaint. But that is where pitchers find themselves, trying to adjust on the fly.

 

[Benway]

It'll be a better game once the majority of pitchers willingly eschew adulterant abuse, but an example will need to be made. Who will be chosen as the early sacrifices?

 

[Benway]

(Video from 4 years ago.)

 

[BimboColesHair]

Alright...

Who wants the details on the Bauers dynamic with the team, coaching staff, advance scouts, front office, all of Cleveland, and the media, specifically Tom Hamilton.

 

[jup]

It'll be a better game once the majority of pitchers willingly eschew adulterant abuse, but an example will need to be made. Who will be chosen as the early sacrifices?

Bauer has to have a bullseye on him

 

[Benway]

Bauer has to have a bullseye on him

The whistleblower!

* My feeble recollection of Trevor's Sticky Campaign timeline is that it seemed to start as an extension of a feud with Garrit Cole, expanded to the rest of the cheatin' Astros, and then widened to a proper leaguewide crusade.
He's sure to be the target of widespread ire, but I don't expect that he needs to participate in any more "civil disobedience."
He got a very large ball rolling, and has done so very quickly and without cooperation.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Alright...

Who wants the details on the Bauers dynamic with the team, coaching staff, advance scouts, front office, all of Cleveland, and the media, specifically Tom Hamilton.

Me! Me! I do!

Was he a bit cocky about himself? Basically thought he was hot shit even though he wasn't producing?

 

[Obscured By Clouds]

I'm just shocked that MLB is doing this mid season bullshit. You mean you couldn't have fixed this before the year started or waited until next year. Puts themselves in a fun situation.

I think its multiple reasons and why they are starting to do this now instead of next season.

1) It's turning up everywhere in the news and social media.

2) More fans are allowed to attend games.

3) The vast majority of casual fans want to see home runs, not 1-0 duels.

 

[Real Deal]

Boy oh boy was Hammy fast on comparing Bradley to Bauers too lmao.

 

[Benway]

Alright...

Who wants the details on the Bauers dynamic with the team, coaching staff, advance scouts, front office, all of Cleveland, and the media, specifically Tom Hamilton.

Good Lord, that sounds unbelievably juicy.

 

[BimboColesHair]

I can probably give them slowly. Start where we should, the beginning. It is not a secret, Jake Bauers was not well liked by about 97% of the organization from the top all the way down to the player lot parking attendants.

First impressions are key. Yandy was well liked by the Latin American group of players (Lindor, Ramirez, Perez, Encarnacion, etc.) so right off the bat he had a lot of ground to make up as he was the return for a well liked guy and a well liked older guy in Encarnacion. Every position player but 2 reported early to ST that year (about 5 days before the official report date). 1 was a guy who I believe just had a kid, that I'm struggling to remember right now. The other was Bauers. Strike one.

He also had a habit of referring to himself in the 3rd person when he was first acquired. Definitely a bit of youth shining through on that one (he was only 23 that season), but most of the 3rd person references he made in the clubhouse had to do with what he was doing after the game, which I am sure you can figure out what they were about. Strike 2.

The one that tipped the scales for him the most early on was a prominent and well respected veteran on the team at the time that I won't name offered to take him under his wing, travel with him on the road, hit with him in the cages, sit next to him in the dugout to tell him what he's seeing, etc. to try and help him as much as possible. This was done as a suggestion brought to Tito by the veteran player because he noticed Bauers work habits were not quite at the professional level. Bauers cold-shouldered the vet. Strike 3, and it wasn't until most of the roster was purged that he finally grew close to some guys. No one wanted to be near him year 1.