Thoughts on trading Jose Ramirez

[Benway]

Oh, OK. Might as well now.

 

[thestatman]

Wait until the all star break and then make the call. To me it will be a much sadder day when this happens in comparison to the Lindor trade. Lindor smiling and laughing with a base runner on second base was just one of things that pissed me off. Ramirez would never pull that shit. Jose was not given a damn thing and then turned himself into a tremendous all around 5 tool player.

But the massive return awaiting makes the idea worth looking at. Targeting a title in 2024 might be the way to go.

 

[MadThinker88]

Wait until the all star break and then make the call. To me it will be a much sadder day when this happens in comparison to the Lindor trade. Lindor smiling and laughing with a base runner on second base was just one of things that pissed me off. Ramirez would never pull that shit. Jose was not given a damn thing and then turned himself into a tremendous all around 5 tool player.

But the massive return awaiting makes the idea worth looking at. Targeting a title in 2024 might be the way to go.

To start: JRam has massive (nearly unmatched) surplus value. Good luck finding a fair match in return.

Additionally the idea of a massive return is fools gold. Many felt there would be a massive returns with major league ready talent for Bauer/ Clevinger (guys with more than 1 yr of control remaining), but look at what the Tribe got in return. On top of that with the upcoming roster crunch at the end of the year, adding more guys creates more problems..

The lack of a minor leagues season in 2020 might have slowed the development of some Tribe prospects but guys like Tyler Freeman/ Gabriel Arias/ Owen Miller are right around the corner. This is a time to be patient & stay the course...

 

[CalBuckeyeRob]

To start: JRam has massive (nearly unmatched) surplus value. Good luck finding a fair match in return.

Additionally the idea of a massive return is fools gold. Many felt there would be a massive returns with major league ready talent for Bauer/ Clevinger (guys with more than 1 yr of control remaining), but look at what the Tribe got in return. On top of that with the upcoming roster crunch at the end of the year, adding more guys creates more problems..

The lack of a minor leagues season in 2020 might have slowed the development of some Tribe prospects but guys like Tyler Freeman/ Gabriel Arias/ Owen Miller are right around the corner. This is a time to be patient & stay the course...

He will be traded, the only question is when it happens. If they are out of it at the break, I think they move him. The key parts will be a couple of years away. That is the only way you get the elite prospects which you need to find if you want to play at a bottom 25% payroll.

 

[AZ_]

Open the bidding at a premium OF, preferably CF. Add in the typical Indians “choice” of mid level, high upside that fit with the organizational philosophy.

If you find the right match, nothing should be off the table this deadline unless this team flat out steamrolls through the first half.

Which, if I’m being honest, doesn’t strike me as something that’s in the cards.

Elite OF prospects:
Christian Pache
Dylan Carlson
Julio Rodriguez/Jared Kelenic

Any of those three teams could be looking to make a big time move. They don’t need to move him, but I’d consider it if those names are included.

 

[Kevalier]

Open the bidding at a premium OF, preferably CF. Add in the typical Indians “choice” of mid level, high upside that fit with the organizational philosophy.

If you find the right match, nothing should be off the table this deadline unless this team flat out steamrolls through the first half.

Which, if I’m being honest, doesn’t strike me as something that’s in the cards.

Elite OF prospects:
Christian Pache
Dylan Carlson
Julio Rodriguez/Jared Kelenic

Any of those three teams could be looking to make a big time move. They don’t need to move him, but I’d consider it if those names are included.

A name to keep an eye on is Michael Harris, who is an OF prospect in Atlanta. He has received a ton of hype among scouts with the team down there to the point that he’s viewed by some as a potential superstar.

 

[WhoAzcue]

Targeting a title in 2024 might be the way to go.

Hoo-boy. The hubris of humans.

 

[CDAV45]

To start: JRam has massive (nearly unmatched) surplus value. Good luck finding a fair match in return.

Additionally the idea of a massive return is fools gold. Many felt there would be a massive returns with major league ready talent for Bauer/ Clevinger (guys with more than 1 yr of control remaining), but look at what the Tribe got in return. On top of that with the upcoming roster crunch at the end of the year, adding more guys creates more problems..

The lack of a minor leagues season in 2020 might have slowed the development of some Tribe prospects but guys like Tyler Freeman/ Gabriel Arias/ Owen Miller are right around the corner. This is a time to be patient & stay the course...

Wait, you said the idea of a massive return is "fools gold" and then when on to say that Arias and Miller are "right around the corner". The Clevinger deal was a haul and the Bauer deal was a good one too. There is no doubt that Ramirez would net a return better than both of those, but now is not the time to even discuss it IMO. As we get closer to the break there will be a better understanding of what this team is or isn't capable of.

There is way too much talent here now to think that they have to wait until 2024 to compete. They are literally on the verge right now, and deepening the lineup with a bat or 2 would have them as AL Central favorites IMO.

I don't understand how the OF will come together. Rosario and Naylor do not need platoon bats. Although he has been doing a decent job, Luplow is not a CF. We don't know if Rosario is a CF, but he's not getting any reps right now. Johnson is ready and could be a significant offensive boost from CF. Is Jones an OF or a 1B? I'm not sure why they even rostered Gamel. I mean he's not terrible, but with the current roster he isn't really a fit IMO.

 

[CDAV45]

Open the bidding at a premium OF, preferably CF. Add in the typical Indians “choice” of mid level, high upside that fit with the organizational philosophy.

If you find the right match, nothing should be off the table this deadline unless this team flat out steamrolls through the first half.

Which, if I’m being honest, doesn’t strike me as something that’s in the cards.

Elite OF prospects:
Christian Pache
Dylan Carlson
Julio Rodriguez/Jared Kelenic

Any of those three teams could be looking to make a big time move. They don’t need to move him, but I’d consider it if those names are included.

AZ, I can't say I disagree with you here. My only thing is that I would use this season to see if either Johnson and/or Rosario are that premium CFer. They have the physical talent for sure, but we know it takes more than just talent.

Having said that, I'm not turning down a talent like those you mentioned. In addition to that, I think a RHH 1B is a need. You can never have too many good SP prospects either. If we're sending Ramirez out, we'll possibly need a replacement unless one of Jones or Miller step up. I'm guilty of profiling bats and I'm not sure Miller's fits 3B, but I'm not sure it doesn't either.

Any of Atlanta, NYY, Washington, and a couple of other teams would love to get their hands on Ramirez.

 

[CDAV45]

If this team is considering a Ramirez trade at the deadline, he might not be the only one on the block. It wouldn't surprise me to see E. Rosario and Hernandez available as well. I only say that because there are replacements in house that are ready. I'm hoping that this team is doing well enough to not have the desire to move these guys.

 

[CATS44]

Most teams, even if they already have an elite 3B, would love to have Jose.

But Cleveland would love to have him most.

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

I would wait at least until after this season, mainly because we'll have a much better idea of where our prospects are at. There was no minor league season last year but there will be this year. We need to know which prospects are ready to play in 2022. For example, if Nolan Jones, Owen Miller, Tyler Freeman, and Arias tear it up in the minors this year it will be a lot easier to trade Jose and make a spot for one of them.

If Bauers, Bradley or Naylor takes over and produces at first base then we don't need to try and get a first baseman in the package. If Amed Rosario turns into a great defensive centerfielder (or at least gets part way there) and hits .280/.800, then we don't need a centerfielder.

We might end up moving him for a blue chip starter and a catcher. I'm not thrilled about putting all our eggs in Bo Naylor's basket, although he's looking pretty good right now.

I'm just saying that after this season we'll have a much better idea of what our needs are going forward.

If we're not in contention this year I could see trading E. Rosario and/or Cesar Hernandez, especially Hernandez. Trading both would save Dolen about $7 million and open up spots for Owen Miller and Daniel Johnson to get extended trials so we know what to expect going into 2022.

Ahmed Rosario would be another trade possibility, especially if he can play both SS and CF. I don't see Hosey being moved until next winter at the earliest.

 

[CDAV45]

I would wait at least until after this season, mainly because we'll have a much better idea of where our prospects are at. There was no minor league season last year but there will be this year. We need to know which prospects are ready to play in 2022. For example, if Nolan Jones, Owen Miller, Tyler Freeman, and Arias tear it up in the minors this year it will be a lot easier to trade Jose and make a spot for one of them.

If Bauers, Bradley or Naylor takes over and produces at first base then we don't need to try and get a first baseman in the package. If Amed Rosario turns into a great defensive centerfielder (or at least gets part way there) and hits .280/.800, then we don't need a centerfielder.

We might end up moving him for a blue chip starter and a catcher. I'm not thrilled about putting all our eggs in Bo Naylor's basket, although he's looking pretty good right now.

I'm just saying that after this season we'll have a much better idea of what our needs are going forward.

If we're not in contention this year I could see trading E. Rosario and/or Cesar Hernandez, especially Hernandez. Trading both would save Dolen about $7 million and open up spots for Owen Miller and Daniel Johnson to get extended trials so we know what to expect going into 2022.

Ahmed Rosario would be another trade possibility, especially if he can play both SS and CF. I don't see Hosey being moved until next winter at the earliest.

Speaking of Amed. The Tatis Jr. injury has me wondering if another deal with the Padres could happen. I don't know their depth at SS or what Chernoff would want in return. The thought just crossed my mind and there may be some interest.

 

[Gson]

Speaking of Amed. The Tatis Jr. injury has me wondering if another deal with the Padres could happen. I don't know their depth at SS or what Chernoff would want in return. The thought just crossed my mind and there may be some interest.

Manny Machado was a pretty fair SS in his younger days... like in 2020... They also have CJ Abrams who they can install as their everyday SS if they want to take a chance.. The Padres also have this venezuelan kid Tucupita Marcano.. IDK how good he might be or become.. but is well thought of by many of the scouting profile writers..

In short.. desperation by the Padres..isn't there.. Greed is, though.. and the Padres, like many other teams would love to acquire him.. As far as the return from the Padres, both of the guys listed above would be a nice starting point.. Add in some mixture of: a catcher, an arm and, of course.. an OF'er and the making of a deal could be considered.. however unlikely..

 

[petes999]

In short.. desperation by the Padres..isn't there.. Greed is, though.. and the Padres, like many other teams would love to acquire him.. As far as the return from the Padres, both of the guys listed above would be a nice starting point.. Add in some mixture of: a catcher, an arm and, of course.. an OF'er and the making of a deal could be considered.. however unlikely..

Talk about Greed ... until Amed shows he is back to top rated type player, Marcano is realistic, but 8th best prospect in mlb is over-the-top. We couldn't get him or other top-5, for either Clevinger or Trammel/Bauer. Yet, I would revise my take on Gimenez, Abrams (for amed), green, wolf trade haul if Chris pulled it off.