Trade Deadline Day - 2020

[Wham with the Right Hand]

Doesn't change your point, but he's actually had over 300 MLB plate appearances. Not sure where the 144 AB came from.

I was looking at the season averages. Thanks.

 

[Obscured By Clouds]

For those wondering why Naylor was part of this deal

Big League Debut: Josh Naylor, San Diego Padres — Prospects Live

In a bit of a surprise, the San Diego Padres recalled 21-year-old Josh Naylor to the big league squad on Thursday. On his own merits, he deserved the bump. He was hitting .299/.378/.538 with 10 home runs and a sparkling 11.5 K% and BB%. What type of impact will he make?

www.prospectslive.com

 

[WorldFreeB]

One thing I like about the way these guys deal is they are always bringing back promising young rotation arms...as guys get cycled out due to age or salary,,or just being a dick they add a Logan Allen, Scott Moss, Quantrill and Cantillo as promising young starters. Initially i wasn't crazy about it but these guys seem to have a method to their madness. The only thing I would like to see is some of this quantity packaged for a more stud quality at positions of need.

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

I guess it depends on if you think Naylor adds more to the lineup as a Mike Freeman/Greg Allen replacement than what you lose in the rotation going from: Bieber-Clev-Cookie-Civale-Plesac to Bieber-Cookie-Civale-Plesac-McKenzie.

I see Naylor as replacing Luplow and Domingo in left field. Naquin stays in right and DeShields in center. I assume they will bring up Mercado to replace Allen. Will Domingo be released or Luplow sent down?

Is there another trade coming?

 

[I'mWithDan]

I don't really see how anyone can say this trade makes the Indians better in 2020.

It may very well make them better in 2021 and beyond, perhaps significantly so, but unless Naylor has an unexpected breakout with the change of scenery, the Indians are a worse team right now than they were yesterday for this 2020.

Still a few hours to go though.

That is one of the kind of head scratcher aspects reading about the deal.......

It doesn't make us better in 2020........

And......it doesn't seem to include some insane future moon shot on raw talent.

It's kind of just a trade that is a bunch of pieces and it is somewhat unclear what any of them do for us now or 5 years from now.

Again, I trust the FO......death, taxes and the Indians front office......but it does, on paper, look like a strange trade.

 

[avs2000]

One thing I like about the way these guys deal is they are always bringing back promising young rotation arms...as guys get cycled out due to age or salary,,or just being a dick they add a Logan Allen, Scott Moss, Quantrill and Cantillo as promising young starters. Initially i wasn't crazy about it but these guys seem to have a method to their madness. The only thing I would like to see is some of this quantity packaged for a more stud quality at positions of need.

Its exactly how a small market team builds
Bieber. Civalle pleasac. Cookie and i think plutko all are controllable and a lot of good young arms behind them

 

[LL3]

LetsGoTribe had this on Naylor:

Josh Naylor is a sneaky-good deadline acquisition for the Indians

Better know a now-Indians prospect, possibly starting tomorrow edition

www.letsgotribe.com

What is with the Indians infatuation with huge Padres' outfielders? First it was Reyes and now Naylor who is listed at 5'11", 250 pounds. He has played outfield and first base. Are we trying to re-do the Jake Bauers deal and get it right this time?

Naylor walks a lot according to the column. Could he be the next Carlos Santana at first base?

From the column...

...he’s produced very good numbers at every level of baseball he’s played while being about two years younger than the average player.

Petco is a notoriously brutal ballpark for hitters and was the third-lowest overall in offensive park factors in 2019. Progressive Field is heaven by comparison, especially for left-handed hitters. Naylor goes from a bottom of the barrel to a cream of the crop run scoring environment for lefties.

Maybe he will turn out to be a "sneaky good acquisition" for the Tribe much like Phil Maton is turning out to be.

I'm much higher on Naylor than I ever was on Maton....not Phil's fault, of course.

 

[Martyinnewyork]

One can never have enough good SS? How about having so many that you can’t protect them when Rule 5 rolls around? We have so many that there’s no place to play them, especially if Mahoning Valley is no more.

 

[biggie4]

A lot of trusting of the FO here.
That always makes my stomach a little queasy.

 

[ncinthenext3]

A lot of trusting of the FO here.
That always makes my stomach a little queasy.

That's understandable, but these guys have a pretty good track record.

 

[NEOLeo]

Numbers and work ethic point to a bright future for Josh Naylor

By Bill Center

padres.mlblogs.com

Found this article on Naylor from this spring. Mentions his work ethic, surprising speed for his size, and slimmed down physique being less than his listed 250. He also just turned 23 in June.

Even at 250 pounds, Naylor was deceptively fast.

There were clear indications this spring that Naylor is intent on growing defensively as well as offensively. He reported to camp much trimmer than his listed weight of 250 pounds. And he was seen after practices taking extra work in the outfield.

 

[LL3]

Keith Law's take --

The Padres then swapped six players to Cleveland for starter “Typhoid Mike” Clevenger, outfielder Greg Allen, and a PTBNL, but they did what smart teams do in these situations – they dealt from the middle of their farm system, rather than from the top, trading quantity to avoid giving up any of their elite prospects. That makes it a solid return for Cleveland but perhaps a little underwhelming for fans of the team-that-must-change-its-name who hoped they’d at least land a marquee young player in return for one of their best starters.

Cleveland netted the Padres’ No. 7 prospect, shortstop Gabriel Arias; No. 9 prospect, infielder Owen Miller; No. 13 prospect, lefty Joey Cantillo; and major-leaguers Josh Naylor, Cal Quantrill, and Austin Hedges. (All ranks are from prior to the season and don’t include this year’s draft.) This could turn out to be a huge haul for Cleveland if Arias and Naylor hit their ceilings, but I think a median forecast would be that they get good value spread across the entire package without any one player really “making” the deal. Arias is a plus defender at short who has already come into above-average power at age 19 and should see more, but he has a lot of holes in his approach, with just 23 unintentional walks last year in High A (where he was one of the youngest regulars). If one guy in this trade turns out to be someone we can’t believe Cleveland got in the return, I’d bet it’s him – he has youth, tools, and good feel on the defensive side of the ball all working in his favor.

Naylor might be the biggest individual beneficiary, as he gets away from the logjam of Wil Myers, Eric Hosmer, and now Mitch Moreland, and ends up in the same system as his younger brother Bo, a top 100 prospect who was Cleveland’s first-round pick in 2018. Josh is a patient hitter with power who got crushed by Petco – he slugged 104 points better on the road since his recall last year, and even had an 86 point OBP split – but who has everyday upside even if he ends up as a DH. He worked hard to improve his conditioning before 2019 and Cleveland should send him out to left field for now, since they’ve gotten no production there while their DH, Naylor’s former teammate Franmil Reyes, has been solid at that spot thanks to a big jump in his BABIP this year.

Miller should at least develop into a utility infielder but has the upside to be a regular at second base with his ability to make contact, although he lacks the home run power to be more than an everyday guy. Cantillo is a deception lefty with a very funky delivery and plus changeup, more likely a swingman or reliever but worth developing as a starter for now to see how this unusual combination works as he moves up the ladder.

Quantrill has moved to a one-inning relief role and has shifted to more of a sinker/slider approach from his prior four-seam/changeup plan His slider has crept up to be more than an average pitch and his sinker is definitely more effective than his flat four-seamer, and I’d stretch him out a bit more than one inning at a time since he has a plus changeup and can use it effectively against lefties. Hedges is what he is at this point, a premium defensive catcher with power who has never posted even a .290 OBP in the majors, making him a very good backup but not someone who should play every day.

The Padres’ rotation has been a disappointment even as the team as a whole has played well, with just two starters, Zach Davies and Dinelson Lamet, producing at or above league-average levels. Chris Paddack has struggled with the long ball, in part because he still doesn’t have an average breaking ball and right-handed hitters are sitting more on his four-seamer. Clevinger immediately becomes their No. 1 starter even if, as seems likely, he’s more like his 2017-18 self than the 2019 version. He was off to a rough start for Cleveland; in four starts this year he’s had more trouble keeping hitters off his four-seamer, giving up five of his six homers off the pitch and missing fewer bats with it than he did last year. He’s moving to a better pitchers’ park, at least, and four starts is a small enough sample that it shouldn’t weigh too heavily given that his velocity and other pitch characteristics seem the same. Allen is a great extra outfielder and pinch-runner but lacks the bat to play semi-regularly, perhaps more of a tactical weapon for the team in the playoffs than someone they’d use often in the regular season.

 

[DCTribefan]

One can never have enough good SS? How about having so many that you can’t protect them when Rule 5 rolls around? We have so many that there’s no place to play them, especially if Mahoning Valley is no more.

Does the loss of Anthony Santander to Rule 5 worry folks? It should.

 

[LL3]

Keith Law's take --

The Padres then swapped six players to Cleveland for starter “Typhoid Mike” Clevenger, outfielder Greg Allen, and a PTBNL, but they did what smart teams do in these situations – they dealt from the middle of their farm system, rather than from the top, trading quantity to avoid giving up any of their elite prospects. That makes it a solid return for Cleveland but perhaps a little underwhelming for fans of the team-that-must-change-its-name who hoped they’d at least land a marquee young player in return for one of their best starters.

Cleveland netted the Padres’ No. 7 prospect, shortstop Gabriel Arias; No. 9 prospect, infielder Owen Miller; No. 13 prospect, lefty Joey Cantillo; and major-leaguers Josh Naylor, Cal Quantrill, and Austin Hedges. (All ranks are from prior to the season and don’t include this year’s draft.) This could turn out to be a huge haul for Cleveland if Arias and Naylor hit their ceilings, but I think a median forecast would be that they get good value spread across the entire package without any one player really “making” the deal. Arias is a plus defender at short who has already come into above-average power at age 19 and should see more, but he has a lot of holes in his approach, with just 23 unintentional walks last year in High A (where he was one of the youngest regulars). If one guy in this trade turns out to be someone we can’t believe Cleveland got in the return, I’d bet it’s him – he has youth, tools, and good feel on the defensive side of the ball all working in his favor.

Naylor might be the biggest individual beneficiary, as he gets away from the logjam of Wil Myers, Eric Hosmer, and now Mitch Moreland, and ends up in the same system as his younger brother Bo, a top 100 prospect who was Cleveland’s first-round pick in 2018. Josh is a patient hitter with power who got crushed by Petco – he slugged 104 points better on the road since his recall last year, and even had an 86 point OBP split – but who has everyday upside even if he ends up as a DH. He worked hard to improve his conditioning before 2019 and Cleveland should send him out to left field for now, since they’ve gotten no production there while their DH, Naylor’s former teammate Franmil Reyes, has been solid at that spot thanks to a big jump in his BABIP this year.

Miller should at least develop into a utility infielder but has the upside to be a regular at second base with his ability to make contact, although he lacks the home run power to be more than an everyday guy. Cantillo is a deception lefty with a very funky delivery and plus changeup, more likely a swingman or reliever but worth developing as a starter for now to see how this unusual combination works as he moves up the ladder.

Quantrill has moved to a one-inning relief role and has shifted to more of a sinker/slider approach from his prior four-seam/changeup plan His slider has crept up to be more than an average pitch and his sinker is definitely more effective than his flat four-seamer, and I’d stretch him out a bit more than one inning at a time since he has a plus changeup and can use it effectively against lefties. Hedges is what he is at this point, a premium defensive catcher with power who has never posted even a .290 OBP in the majors, making him a very good backup but not someone who should play every day.

The Padres’ rotation has been a disappointment even as the team as a whole has played well, with just two starters, Zach Davies and Dinelson Lamet, producing at or above league-average levels. Chris Paddack has struggled with the long ball, in part because he still doesn’t have an average breaking ball and right-handed hitters are sitting more on his four-seamer. Clevinger immediately becomes their No. 1 starter even if, as seems likely, he’s more like his 2017-18 self than the 2019 version. He was off to a rough start for Cleveland; in four starts this year he’s had more trouble keeping hitters off his four-seamer, giving up five of his six homers off the pitch and missing fewer bats with it than he did last year. He’s moving to a better pitchers’ park, at least, and four starts is a small enough sample that it shouldn’t weigh too heavily given that his velocity and other pitch characteristics seem the same. Allen is a great extra outfielder and pinch-runner but lacks the bat to play semi-regularly, perhaps more of a tactical weapon for the team in the playoffs than someone they’d use often in the regular season.

Potential big upside from a few in the group, but pretty solid floor. He does not love Clev as a top performer.

 

[Huber.]

Lot to digest with that many players..

Arias looks like the headline piece and now appears to be the heir apparent be the future at SS for the Indians. #7 Padres prospect per MLB.com Venezuelan SS who hit 17 HRs in High A ball last year as a 19 year old.

Josh Naylor should be able to contribute for the team immediately. 23 year old corner OF bat. Not all that impressed with his MLB production but he should hopefully be given the opportunity to grow in Cleveland. Hit for high average and had a 1:1 K/BB ratio his last 2 years in the minor with some pop. His brother Bo, is one of our top prospects so cool to have them both in the org.

Cal Quantrill. Won't pretend to know much about him. Looks like he throws a good fastball but has never really struck guys out at the level we've come to expect from Indians starters. Not entirely impressive IMO

Cantillo is a 20 year old lefty starter. #9 SD prospect per MLB.com. Impressive K numbers last year as a 19 y/o in A and High A

Owen Miller has hit for good average at every level he's played at (up to AA). #11 prospect per MLB.com

Hedges won't give you much at the plate but is an elite backstop



It might come across as a disappointing return at the moment as Arias has not progressed far enough to be seen as an elite prospect yet and it's hard to tell how much Josh Naylor will realistically be able to contribute to this season with just 317 MLB PAs of meh production under his belt.

So you're placing Arias ahead of Tyler Freeman?